November 29th, 2004


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09:20 am - on hot lesbian action... (and hot boy on boy action, too, for that matter...)
Once upon a time, I posted a little survey about porn to find out what various people who read this journal thought. The thing that I discovered most was that either women are much more into porn and erotica than men, or perhaps just more willing to talk about it. Anyway, its a year later and I was having a similar conversation with someone this weekend. This person, who has asked to be kept anonymous, but may or may not be my girlfriend, and I were postulating the differences between men and women and how they view erotica, and what they look for when they are watching porn. Specifically do women enjoy watching boy-on-boy action as much as men enjoy watching girl-on-girl?

Similarly, I was listening to Howard Stern on the drive in to work this morning. He was discussing the Thanksgiving episode of Survivor. On said show there are currently two lesbians competing, one an older woman (maybe 60-something) and the other a former playboy model (maybe 30). This weeks episode had the "loved-ones visit" where the show brought out one loved one for each of the remaining Survivors. Both of the lesbians had their girlfriends brought out. Now when beststephi and I watched it, I noticed immediately that the footage was editted to remove the obvious ""hello, I've missed you so much" kisses between both lesbian couples. We were led to believe that instead after having not seeing their long-time lovers for a solid month, and living in the jungle eating bugs, the best these people wanted was an awkward platonic hug. Except it was quite obvious to me (and apparently to Howard) that in both cases, a kiss had occured. CBS editted out in fear of the FCC. I noted, as did Howard, that CBS didn't bother to remove the kiss by the one heterosexual couple on the show.


So here's the thing. Gay and Lesbian porn. My inclination is that men like watching lesbians go at it more than women like watching men. But its just a guess. And so, a survey. Feel free to skip some questions if you like. Also, if you must, you may answer anonymously, but I kind of wanted to be able to ask followup questions:

1) Are you male or female?

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome. Or if you didn't answer the questions from last time, I'm probably still curious.

And of course feel free to invite people I don't know to come answer these highly important sociological question. HOVA, I need to get into grad school so that I can write papers on this shit.

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[User Picture]From: rackletang Date: November 29th, 2004 - 06:49 am (Link)
1. I am female.

2. I am straight with some tiny bi parts. :)

3. Hetero porn is okay, but sometimes I find it a bit too exploitive and misogynistic for my tastes.

4. Girl on girl stuff is okay, if the chicks are hot. As in, if it were real chicks with real bodies and not porn stars with plastick tits.

5. Boy on boy stuff is pretty goddamn hot, actually.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 07:54 am (Link)
5. Boy on boy stuff is pretty goddamn hot, actually.

Why? I mean, under what specifications? For girl on girl you gave qualifiers. Are there qualifiers here too?
From: rackletang Date: November 29th, 2004 - 08:04 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: November 30th, 2004 - 06:57 am (Link)
From: rackletang Date: November 30th, 2004 - 07:07 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: sk4p Date: November 29th, 2004 - 06:50 am (Link)
1) male. 2) straight. 3) het porn does nothing for me: doesn't turn me on or offend me. nor just kissing. 4) girl on girl porn turns me on, but almost the same effect is obtained just watching girls kiss. 5) guy on guy porn does nothing for me, nor does two guys kissing, and it doesn't offend me.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 07:58 am (Link)
) girl on girl porn turns me on, but almost the same effect is obtained just watching girls kiss.

interesting. So is that "a little" or "a lot." And why do you think that is? Do you there is something special about lesbianism over heterosexuality. Is it just the "dangerousness" of it? Is it just that too hot girls are better than one?

I find it interesting that het does nothing for you, but les does. (as opposed to lesbian just being better because hey, more chick!) So is it that the presence of the guy hurts it, or is it that there needs to be two girls? Where does group sex porn fit in? Is two girls some how hotter than two girls and a guy?
[User Picture]From: kenoubi Date: November 29th, 2004 - 07:40 am (Link)
1) Are you male or female?
Male.
2) Are you straight, gay or bi?
Straight.
3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Yes. Yes. No. Not so much, but nothing wrong with it. (I have a strong preference for a certain “style” of porn, which I think correlates roughly 100% with the amateur side on the amateur-pornstar axis.)

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

A little. A little. No. Eh.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

No. No. No. No.

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome.

The main reason I find lesbian porn arousing at all is that at an emotional level I don't really believe in lesbianism; I imagine the women involved as bi. If I really believed they were strict lesbians, I'd probably lose interest.

You didn't mention solo videos of masturbation. I sometimes dig on such videos of girls; I've never seen one of a guy to the best of my recollection, and don't especially want to.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 08:05 am (Link)
The main reason I find lesbian porn arousing at all is that at an emotional level I don't really believe in lesbianism; I imagine the women involved as bi. If I really believed they were strict lesbians, I'd probably lose interest.

What do you mean by that? Are you saying that for the purposes of watching said videos you can be enticed because there is a male mentality in the back of your head of "sure, they're gay, but they haven't met me yet. They just need a good deep dicking. God I'm such a stud" Or are you saying that you don't believe that you don't believe that women can actually be totally gay in the first place, so there's always a chance? Does the same apply to dudes?

You didn't mention solo videos of masturbation. I sometimes dig on such videos of girls; I've never seen one of a guy to the best of my recollection, and don't especially want to.

That's because it didn't really occur to me. I wasn't so much thinking about the twoness of gay porn, so much as the gayness of it. For the record, as I mentioned in my response to sk4p above, there's all kinds of other issues that come up when one considers group sex porn in any of varying combinations as well. Anyway, that's kinda why I left that open question 6 in there. So that people could say random stuff like that. So, ummm... thank you.
From: kenoubi Date: November 29th, 2004 - 09:12 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: November 30th, 2004 - 06:59 am (Link)
From: kenoubi Date: November 30th, 2004 - 09:35 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: diana412 Date: November 29th, 2004 - 08:19 am (Link)
) Are you male or female? Feeemale

2) Are you straight, gay or bi? Straight

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

I like watching it, only because I like to sit there and narrate it, It's fun. Lol, but it doesn't turn me on. It used to before I started having sex of my own.

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
Don't like watching it, although it doesn't offend me either. Not sure why guys are sooo obsessed with it though.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
Nope, Nope and Nope.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 10:33 am (Link)
but it doesn't turn me on. It used to before I started having sex of my own.

What changed? Does it just seem unrealistic now? Or is it like a thing where it just can't compare so it seems like a waste? Or is it something else entirely?
[User Picture]From: lacechenault Date: November 29th, 2004 - 09:51 am (Link)
1) Are you male or female?

Female

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?

Straight, had some bi times...

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Nope I don't likey the porn. It doesn't turn me on, it only offends me when my man needs it (which my current man doesn't) - Kissings fine....

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Don'y Likey - again no turn on - it doesn't offend me as long as it isn't on my television. Girls kissing is fine.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Nope tried watching some of it with my sista's once - did not turn me on - did the opposite..

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome.

My ex was OBSESSED with porn - it ate up his life - he started wanting me to be more like the people in the films, which was disturbing. The funniest memory was waking up in the middle of the night, walking into the PC room to see him jerking of to it - I withheld sex for a long while after that, it was hard to get that image out of my head.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 10:45 am (Link)
Nope tried watching some of it with my sista's once - did not turn me on - did the opposite..

Hmmm, ok... why specifically? I mean, if the boy-girl porn and the girl-girl porn are just a zero effect for you. Why was the boy-boy a negative effect? You're not particularly puritanical, as far as I can tell, which would have been fine, but I don't think its shock value that makes it negative for you. Or am I wrong? The reason I brought this up, in first place was because I was noticing several (straight or bi) women being into the boy-boy porn lately. And I got that there were some that were ambivalent to it. But it never occured to me that there would be some that were straight and more turned off by the boy-boy than the boy-girl.
From: lacechenault Date: November 29th, 2004 - 10:55 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 11:08 am (Link)
From: lacechenault Date: November 29th, 2004 - 11:15 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:55 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: lacechenault Date: November 29th, 2004 - 11:17 am (Link)
Gawd I messed that post up - she Wouldn't want me telling people.

But then again we arewn't talking right now anyway so I don't care.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 12:19 pm (Link)
hehehe... but it reads so much funnier the other way. God wants you to watch the gay porn! If there's one thing god likes, its sodomy. You can tell by all the catholic priests.
[User Picture]From: rainbowpookie Date: November 29th, 2004 - 11:23 am (Link)
1) Are you male or female?

Female.

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?

All the way bisexual.

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

I love watching heterosexual porn, and it really turns me on. Kissing is okay, and if the two people are naked and touching while kissing, I will be turned on.


4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Yum. Yes, oh yes. Even more so than guy on girl. I love it. Kissing--yes, it turns me on.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

No, not really. I don't mind it if it's in a group sex situation--that may even turn me on a little bit, but not otherwise. It doesn't offend me. Guys kissing does absolutely nothing for me.

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome. Or if you didn't answer the questions from last time, I'm probably still curious.

Well, I love group sex pornos, and lesbian pornos. I can also really enjoy a straight-up guy and girl action. I don't like guy on guy or bondage that much. I am bisexual and I love women's bodies, much more so than guys'. I love penis, don't get me wrong, but mainly on my man. I also like masturbatory videos of guys and girls. Those are always fun. My motto is such: penises are cute and vaginas are sexy. :) (although my boyfriend's penis can really turn me on). I love PlayBoy and some Internet porn sites. Nude girl pictures rule!
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:11 pm (Link)
welcome to the party... nice to meet you.

Ok, so you answered a lot closer to how I mostly expect boys to answer. So that begs two questions:

1) why do girls turn you on so much more than boys? Are they just that much better looking?

2) why bother with boys at all. Or do you only bother with your boyfriend? Are you mostly gay except for the one guy who you find really sexy? Are you mostly straight except that girls are just really hot? Is it something in between, and can you explain it?

You said you were all the way bisexual. But it seemed like there was a definite lean towards girls in your answers.
From: rainbowpookie Date: November 29th, 2004 - 02:46 pm (Link)

Long, Long response...

From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 03:38 pm (Link)

Re: Long, Long response...

From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2004 - 07:44 am (Link)

Re: Long, Long response...

[User Picture]From: shirleydoe Date: November 29th, 2004 - 11:44 am (Link)
1) Are you male or female?
Male.

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?
Straight.

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
I enjoy a fair amount of pornography, but as my age increases, what I need to see to become titilated has unforunately increased. Soem of the spitting and slapping porn offends me. I enjoya good kiss as much as I enjoy a good sex scene.

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
A girl on girl scene needs to be shot really well to make me enjoy it. Andrew Blake stuff...generally, you need that money shot, to me at least, to let you know when it's over. Belladonna's recent girl/girl stuff is the exception/ It's rather great.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
It doesn't offend me, I just have no interest in it.

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome. Or if you didn't answer the questions from last time, I'm probably still curious.
What is the latest trend in porn you're enjoying? Mine is Indian girls, personally. Peeing is so last year.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:22 pm (Link)
What is the latest trend in porn you're enjoying? Mine is Indian girls, personally. Peeing is so last year.

I'm a weirdo. I'm one of the few people in history who actually prefers Skinemax stuff to actual porn. But its not for sexual excitement reasons. I just find it really funny and amusing. In particular, I have a well documented affinity for bimbos from space movies. I know they suck. I know they're ridiculous. But its just one of those guilty pleasures I love. Like watching guys wrestle in turtle suits.

That said, there is some hardcore porn I like, but usually I need to find the girl in question really hot. At the moment, my favorite would be Sunrise Adams, which really is probably a pretty boring choice as far as kinkyness of porn goes, but I just happen to think she's way hot.
[User Picture]From: mizmoose Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:03 pm (Link)
1) Are you male or female?
At the risk of being smacked about by the politically correct police: No.
If you must categorize me this way, I am biologically female.

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?
Er. I'll say "bi" instead of a long winded explaination why none of these really work, either.

3, 4 & 5) Do you like watching {heterosexual, girl-on-girl, boy-on-boy} porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?

Yes. Sort of, mostly I find it amusing. Hell no. Kissing is just ... kissing. even with lots of tongue.

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome.


Dude, what about 3 ways? How do people feel about watching boy on boy and girl? two girls on a guy? two guys a girl and a pizza oh wait never mind... [I always thought that show sounded like a bad porn movie. (as if "bad porn movie" isn't a tautology)]

PLEASE do not start surveying about animals. I will come over there and beat you some.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:26 pm (Link)
Dude, what about 3 ways? How do people feel about watching boy on boy and girl? two girls on a guy?

yeah, I left out the group thing. It just didn't occur to me at the time. Same as the solo stuff others have mentioned. I was wondering more about how people responded to the visuals of gay vs. straight porn and not so much the particulars of the combinations. Maybe I should have expanded upon it though. Maybe in a follow up post.

PLEASE do not start surveying about animals. I will come over there and beat you some.

Damn, so much for the follow up post.
[User Picture]From: thwomp Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:40 pm (Link)
Hm. I debated whether or not I should answer this, but I guess I will.

1) Are you male or female?
Female

2) Are you straight, gay or bi?
Probably straight

3) Do you like watching heterosexual porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
Nope. Not really. Nah, it's just boring.

Kissing can be sickening or fantastic or sweet or a complete turn on.
For example, the Lancelot/Guenevere kiss in First Knight was an incredible turn on. Yowza. But mostly because of the story and music, and the fact that Julia Ormond is a knockout, and that passionate Richard Gere crinkly nose thing. Stellarly hot.

There were some really sweet "awwwwwwwwwww" kisses in Love, Actually, but again, those were mostly situational.

Situations are sexy. Watching the PDA's of others, not necessarily.

4) Do you like watching girl-on-girl porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
Eh. Not really. No. Situational, again, see above.
Note that the small amount of girl-on-girl I've seen was always really funny and amusing. Like, intentionally.

5) Do you like watching boy-on-boy porn? Does it turn you on? Does it offend you? How about just kissing?
No. No. No. Same as above.

6) Any other insight about the subject that you have is welcome.
Are you only interested in movie porn? What about smutty novels or photography? Those are much sexier, IMO.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 29th, 2004 - 01:46 pm (Link)
Are you only interested in movie porn? What about smutty novels or photography? Those are much sexier, IMO.

well, the conversation that sparked my question was about movie porn, so that's what I asked about. But I'm definitely interested in any insight you have as to what would make novels or photography or whatever else sexy or non-sexy.
From: thwomp Date: November 30th, 2004 - 08:31 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: November 30th, 2004 - 08:37 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: jameel Date: November 29th, 2004 - 04:34 pm (Link)
1) Male

2) Straight

3) I don't really enjoy porn. Beyond heckling the storylines, it doesn't do much for me. If I had to rate the three categories of porn, however, this would be rated number two.

4) See above. This category would be rated number one. I like looking at women, and I don't like looking at men.

5) See above. This category would be rated number three. I don't like looking at men.

6) I think my dislike of pr0n stems from the fact that it doesn't target all of the senses in addition to a "I can't have it, I don't want to look at it" thing.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 30th, 2004 - 06:49 am (Link)
hmmm... so then you'd be all about the VR porn?
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From: chrismaverick Date: November 30th, 2004 - 10:58 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: katieboyd Date: November 30th, 2004 - 05:22 pm (Link)
1. female
2. bi
3. eh. depends. is it good? yes, there is a such thing. some porn is better than others. it does sort of turn me on, yeah. bad porn offends me. just kissing? usually rather uninteresting unless preceeded by lots of plot and/or backstory as to why the kissing is supposed to be important.
4. pretty much the same as #3
5. I've honestly never seen any guy-on-guy porn, so I have no basis to judge. Generally, when I've watched porn it's at someone elses suggestion, or at least input. no one else seems to want to watch it. it hasn't really occured to me to be currious enough to insist on suggesting it. I'd suspect I might get the same answers as above but can't be sure. I imagine there might be less of a 'turn on' due to not having a character which I can identify with and be mentally placing myself in their role. Don't really know, though.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2004 - 06:34 am (Link)
Hmmm... this brings up an interesting point. I wonder if there is a distinct difference between men and women there. Perhaps men prefer to view women and imagine the women might want them while not being distracted by other males in the fantasy, whereas women prefer to be able to relate themselves to a female character in the fantasy. Maybe this is related to the higher (perceived) incidence of bisexuality in women these days. Perhaps not.

I did write a paper back as an undergrad where I argued that the reason that both men and women's pop fashion magazines (say Maxim and Cosmopolitan) as well as male and female targeted advertising featured sexy women was because with men the concept is to create the idea that the viewer might possess the subject, whereas with women the concept is that the viewer might become the subject. Should I ever actually manage to become a grad student, this is something that I really think I'd like to look more into.
 

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