November 30th, 2005


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11:59 pm - on protests, pirates and pussy on wheels...
Pirates
Pirates
A boat movie with lots of sex.
It's like Maverick Christmas is
25 days early this year
So today on the news I heard stories about people from my alma mater, CMU being upset about a porno flick playing on campus. Apparently some stick-in-the-muds, who have decided that they hate sex because they can't get laid, are complaining because part of their student activities fee went to bringing porn to campus. Nevermind the fact that the student activities fee is like $50/year and supports about a thousand clubs, in addition to the say 160 movies that are shown on campus in a given year. Even forgetting the other clubs, that means each student is out 31 cents for this flick. Factor in all the other clubs, and its maybe a penny out of each students pocket. Maybe. Boo fucking hoo! I am so put out.

Another story was in the news today about a bus of strippers outside of Sunday's Tampa Bay Bucs game. Apparently, the local Deja Vu Club had the great idea to create a moblie strip club. For $20 a guy could come in the the motor home and hang out with seven dancers and buy lap dances for another forty bucks. The police apparently decided this was a crime. I just call it enterprising business.

Ok, we know where I stand. Me likem the sex. Me likem the sex a lot. I'm pretty much all for just getting sex out there as much as possible. And hey, if there can be sex at a football game or sex in a boat movie, two of my greatest passions, well then hell yeah. I think that CMU having a an activities fee is a good idea. And I'm all for it being spent in diverse ways. If the activities fee can support Asian, African and Jewish cultural organizations, if it can support clubs devoted to gaming or juggling or medieval reenactment, if it can support social organizations for devoted to rock climbing, skiing or geeks being, well, geeky, then jayzdammit it should be able to bring a porno flick to campus twice a year. I don't care if it offends some people. What if I'm a nazi and the black and jewish clubs offend me?

And I think we know where I stand on the whole stripping thing. I'm well on record for legalizing prostitution. Legalize it, regulate it and tax the fuck out of it. Sex is just an act. A service. Any other service can be be commoditized and no one cares. Why can't fucking? Why does everyone always make sex so special. Because its part of marriage? I can pay someone to cook for me, clean for me, take care of me when I'm sick and raise my kids. Is sex really the only part of marriage worth protecting? If so then who the fuck cares about the whole gay marriage issue. Just fuck whoever you want. Everyone will be happier that way. Well, except the people who are ugly, since you're not letting them buy pussy.

Ok, I get that some people don't agree with me or my politics. Really I do. I really don't have a problem with that. I know that I'm nuts. I lost my mind a long time ago. Really, I'm ok with it. But can someone who is rational please explain to me why people have a problem with sex? I'm totally for someone making the personal choice to not go to a strip club. I'm ok with someone not wanting to watch porn. I'm ok with someone keeping their kids from listening to Howard Stern. Whatever. But exactly why is sex so big a deal to people, religious or otherwise that they go out of their way to stop other people from enjoying it. At least with things like cigarettes or drugs, there is an argument, a weak one, but an argument that other people doing them might raise insurance rates. But all allowing me to lust, fornicate, sodomize or whatnot will do is send me to hell. How does that hurt you? Wouldn't religion teach you to let me make my own choices and failures? And if you remove religion, what possible reason is there for any of these laws whatsoever. I've got like a degree in analyzing culture, and I could make something up, but that's all it would be. Made up.

So that's what I want to know. No matter which side of the issue you fall on. I want to know why you think there's any justification to having laws about this stuff one way or the other. And hey, let me know where you stand and why too.

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Comments:


From: (Anonymous) Date: December 1st, 2005 - 05:13 am (Link)
The movie cost $30, btw. So admissions more than paid for it. Student money used to pay for it? Only that of students who saw it. But why let facts bother you, when you have a mission!
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 05:34 am (Link)
$30 to get in? Are you serious? Buying the DVD yourself from Jesse Jane's website is only $49.95. Or are you saying that it only cost CMU $30 to show it, and they charge the standard $1.00 admission?
From: damion Date: December 1st, 2005 - 07:39 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 11:49 am (Link)
From: damion Date: December 1st, 2005 - 01:50 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 04:20 pm (Link)
From: damion Date: December 1st, 2005 - 04:35 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 04:47 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: dellamorta Date: December 1st, 2005 - 05:59 am (Link)

You know what make *me* hot?

The fact that Pirates comes in HD-DVD. Not that I'm a dork or anything.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 06:03 am (Link)

Re: You know what make *me* hot?

yeah, I saw that too...its what's making me seriously consider the purchase
From: wooble Date: December 1st, 2005 - 09:25 pm (Link)

Re: You know what make *me* hot?

From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 09:45 pm (Link)

Re: You know what make *me* hot?

From: wooble Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 04:24 pm (Link)

Re: You know what make *me* hot?

From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 05:57 pm (Link)

Re: You know what make *me* hot?

[User Picture]From: irondrake77 Date: December 1st, 2005 - 03:08 pm (Link)
people want to pretend like sex just doesn't exist outside of thier own world or when they themselves are thinking about it...or there's always the cry that the children will see it and we can't have that, even when there's no chance of any kids ever seeing it. Just tight-asses enforcing their views on everyone else
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 04:15 pm (Link)
even if I grant the children argument, which I'm not sure I do. V-chip technology is such that we really shouldn't have to worry about it. And the above instances I quoted, a X-rated movie and a mobile gentlemen's club, children aren't allowed anyway. No on can see these things by accident. They are only available to adults who pay to enjoy them. No one is going to happen upon it by accident. They are explicitly asking for it. Leave these people alone!

Just tight-asses enforcing their views on everyone else


Mmmmm.... tight asses....
[User Picture]From: uomo Date: December 1st, 2005 - 06:06 pm (Link)
FWIW the student $1/film in DH2210 (room and price have changed no doubt) has had a porno once a year for all the years its been running, at least that's how I remember it. it ain't news!

oh, college coeds watch sex flicks, I'm shocked, shocked.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 06:15 pm (Link)
yeah, that's what I was pointing out. One or two films out of 160 shown over the year.

Damn puritans...
[User Picture]From: arilinn Date: December 1st, 2005 - 06:34 pm (Link)
i remember back when i wanted to show a porn. well a. if there's 1000 people seeing it, i'm sure that paid for the movie, not the fee. and b. i had a problem... grrr... i had to get a not-really-porn to "show" nad have someone "break in" and switch to a porn "without me knowing"

so lame.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 09:24 pm (Link)
that's what damion was saying above. Apparently, it only cost them $30 to show the film since the company gave it to them for free for the advertising.

As a member of ABTEch you had to lie to get porn played? That's odd, because they used to do it all the time and advertise for it. And apparently they are again.
From: zare_k Date: December 1st, 2005 - 07:11 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: duckmonster Date: December 1st, 2005 - 09:23 pm (Link)
I think my problem was with it being shown in the UC, which is a very public place, and it being advertised on posters all around campus. I know lots of college kids watch porn. I've been stuck in a room with "Lord of the G-Strings" on the TV before, so technically, I guess I have, too. But ... in public? Condoned by my university?

My problem with pornography (because, yeah, I'm very anti-porn) is, like ommkarja said, because of "degradation of ... relationships" and "unrealistic portrayals of women in pornography." For the latter, I wouldn't use the word "misogyny," necessarily, because doesn't seem to me like it would lead to a hatred of women... just a, um, misunderstanding. A ... view of them as lesser people. ("Contempt," almost, but not quite.) People aren't sex objects, and pornography seems to imply that they are. And a lot of pornography, "Pirates" in particular, is showing the women as sex objects. It's degrading. It's offensive. It's disrespectful to women as people. (Yeah, you could argue that it "glorifies" women, but it only does so in their "role" as sex objects, and that is not what women are. Sorry. I don't like that there's a huge industry devoted to making films telling us differently.)

And sex is, to a lot of people, a really personal thing. In those people's minds, it's just not something that belongs on film. Watching pornography is desensitizing. It gives people who watch it unrealistic expectations of both themselves and their partners.

Anyway, this is all in my opinion, of course. I'm not out there lobbying to take away your porn rentals or to close your strip clubs. I didn't raise a big stink about "Pirates," despite being offended by it (and every other TBA before it). Watching porn is a "right," I suppose, and while I won't get up in arms about people trying to take it away, I won't help them. (I won't sign petitions to "Keep Porn Legal," either, though.) I just... I find its existence abhorrent, and I want it kept away from me.
From: beststephi Date: December 1st, 2005 - 10:06 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 1st, 2005 - 10:51 pm (Link)
From: dgr Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 03:47 am (Link)
From: dgr Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 04:04 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 05:38 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 05:20 am (Link)
From: zare_k Date: December 1st, 2005 - 10:33 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 03:11 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 02:50 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 01:13 am (Link)
As far as the one true way theory, its my contention that most people, even very religious ones, don't seem to really follow that except in very specific circumstances. Sure there are door to door jehovah's witnesses. There are nation of islam muslims passing out literature at the bus station. But for the most part, even the most religious of people don't really seem to have the ambition to push their beliefs on others, except when it comes to sex and maybe drugs.

I'm not sure I believe in increased misgony dude to unrealstic portrayal of women. In fact, I'm pretty sure I don't. I think its an overly dramatic simplification born of too strict belief in a feminist ideal. I actually think the concept of feminism is good. But taken to the extreme the belief tends to be that anything objectifying is bad, and objectification is most often claimed when the issue is sexual in nature. But art in general, and fiction in specific are about objectification. It sets just as unrealistic a goal for women to meet to portray a character that is a crime solving, neurosurgeon astronaut with a 160 IQ as it does to show a 5'10, 38DD-22-36, blonde with a perfect tan. For some reason people tend to only center on the sexual portrayal instead of the intellectual one.

Finally, I guess what i was asking is WHY does sexual liberalism degrade marriage or create an unhealthy environment for children. If someone could explain to me why they felt it did (even if I didn't agree), I could at least understand (the way I understand but disagree with the misogyny and unhealthy body image arguments). But instead, much like the premise that homosexual marriage weakens marriage, I don't see how porn or strippers hurt the children (who don't get to experience them in the first place).
[User Picture]From: sexyhockihoochi Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 03:12 am (Link)
What I find to be ironic, if not hypocritical, is that people will bitch about sex in tv/movies/pornos/etc, yet there's not a big issue about people's heads being chopped off or blown off.

Our country seems to have the idea that sex is bad and violence is awesome. Speaking as someone who's watched French tv, it's the exact opposite, which could explain their MUCH lower crime rate. Not that TV/movies cause violence exactly, but the correlation between the two is too strong to ignore.

Because, obviously, watching two adults have consensual sex is much more sinful/evil/terrible than watching something like House of 1,000 Corpses or Saw or even The Exorcist. (Heavy sarcasm)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: December 2nd, 2005 - 03:26 am (Link)
ah ha! yes. This was exactly my point. I think its totally fine for them to play Saw on campus. I think its totally fine for them to play Pirates. But I do think its really silly that people are so much more likely to have a problem with Pirates than with Saw.

For the record, I enjoy having sex a lot more than I enjoy chopping people's heads off, but if the situation was reversed, I'd be defending violence in film too.
From: sexyhockihoochi Date: December 3rd, 2005 - 09:22 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 4th, 2005 - 07:01 pm (Link)
From: sexyhockihoochi Date: December 8th, 2005 - 02:16 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 8th, 2005 - 02:34 pm (Link)
From: sexyhockihoochi Date: December 8th, 2005 - 04:23 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: December 8th, 2005 - 07:50 pm (Link)
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