August 31st, 2003


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From: ludimagist Date: August 31st, 2003 - 08:47 am (Link)
I think your survey is skewed by the fact that an educated woman writing about porn is seen as liberated and hip, while a man is seen as sleazy (generally speaking, we are more civilized than that).
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: August 31st, 2003 - 11:15 am (Link)
Agreed. I noticed many more women writing in, which may be a reflection of Mav's success with the ladies. And those that didn't feel comfortable writing about the topic (perception as sleazy or moral outrage or whatever) abstained.
[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: August 31st, 2003 - 12:06 pm (Link)
And this underlines the unscientificness of it. I have the feeling mav made the survey to settle some sort of silly argument with steph, and I would just like to point out that the survey proves nothing.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 12:56 pm (Link)
nope... actually there was no argument at all. We were just discussing the basic concept of what women vs. men looked for in porn and we figured that, as unscientific as the method was, this was as good way as any to get a quick bunch of opinions that we could read through. You're right, it certainly doesn't proove anything, but we didn't really have anything in mind to proove anyway.
[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: August 31st, 2003 - 03:04 pm (Link)
oh. dang. I really thought there was a silly argument. :)

anyway, remember the other survey when you asked people what they liked about your journal? and I said how I liked the cultural commentary the best? this whole thread falls into that category, and it's been interesting to see the responses. I seriously think you should pose a question every week. :) of course... now that you're working for merv again, you probably have less time to sit around and come up with them... no pressure....
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 03:15 pm (Link)
oh. dang. I really thought there was a silly argument. :)

Actually, it was all just a clever ploy. Steph said to me the other day: "I wonder what kind of kinky stuff Jill is into" and I said "I don't know, but I know how to find out" and then I orchestrated this whole survey ruse to trick you into replying.

Hmmm... well, I try to be interesting and post what's on my mind. And really, I don't use the LCS muscles enough these days, so this is just kinda my way of staying shape, so to speak. Maybe Meron is right and I should pursue a column somewhere. In the meantime, this will have to do.

Mav: He's not just a man, he's a graffiti board!
[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: August 31st, 2003 - 03:21 pm (Link)
[[He's not just a man, he's a graffiti board!]]

Does this mean we get to write all over you? Or write all over each other?

[["I wonder what kind of kinky stuff Jill is into"]]

(see above)
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: September 6th, 2003 - 08:37 pm (Link)
Does this mean we get to write all over you? Or write all over each other?

[["I wonder what kind of kinky stuff Jill is into"]]

(see above)


Huh. I don't recall that at all. Guess we should have watched the Pillow Book or something ;-) (As long as we didn't read Kafka's In the Penal Colony together, it would all be fine...)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 01:01 pm (Link)
I noticed many more women writing in, which may be a reflection of Mav's success with the ladies.

Well, I am one sexy bitch after all... Actually, I've commented at many times before that I am in general more comfortable around women than around men. I usuallyy find it easier to be friends with them, and I find it easier to relate to them. What with my loves of shopping and underwear and john cusack and all... Plus, you know, just because I'm all big and sexy, that doesn't mean that I don't have a sensitive side too.... That, and women like have boobies and stuff... Actually, I barely have any use for men at all. ;-)

And those that didn't feel comfortable writing about the topic (perception as sleazy or moral outrage or whatever) abstained.

Yeah, and honestly, I kind of expected that, but I thought I'd get a lot more male responses for that reason. Like I was telling Jill below, despite my pretenses of scientific methodology, I was fully aware that there wasn't any. Still, I found the way things turned out to be quite interesting.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 01:02 pm (Link)
err.... I guess I was telling Jill above... *sigh* damn non-intuitivie hierarchies...
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: August 31st, 2003 - 02:45 pm (Link)
Actually, I've commented at many times before that I am in general more comfortable around women than around men.

This is so interesting...because I have more male close friends than I do female. Downright bizarre considering my female-dominated academic and professional communities. When I consider the people I am closest to, they are all men. But in a random social situation where I know no one, I will generally sit next to and/or start talking to another woman, not another man.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 31st, 2003 - 11:50 am (Link)
Agreed. I note that Mav didn't answer his own questions. (Not that he makes a secret of his sleaziness, just sayin'...)

I'm quite willing to discuss my proclivities, just not in the public record.

.joe.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 01:27 pm (Link)
well, I kinda hinted at my answers in my response to Holly... but the real reason I didn't answer was that I didn't want to color people's opinions of what they should and shouldn't say in response. As before, it was kinda the pretense of some sort of scientific method.

That said, you're right, I don't really make a secret of my sexual proclivites... and the answer is, I don't much like true porn. At least not hardcore. I much prefer a sexy (or even better a silly) story where good looking people are acting and faking sex in the name of some plot (even an inane one) to a story where people are pretending there is a plot to string together shots of actual sex between generally less good looking people than would appear in the faked movies. On occasion, I run across an actual hardcore film (like Dreamquest) which actually tries to do something with the plot and I may enjoy that, but honestly, extreme closeups of genitalia don't do much for me. Even in the name of titilation, I'd much rather see good looking full bodies shots of good looking people with no real detail than extreme closeups of ugly genitals (and really, I don't find the details of either genders nether regions all that attractive to look at). The things that I tend to find sexy are stomachs, legs, hair and faces... maybe butts and breasts if they are particularly nice. And real porn is generally way too busy with the naughty bits to really feature any of that stuff.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 01:09 pm (Link)
hmmm... interesting theory.... reverse cultural prejudice. Classically in our culture we call an oversexed man a stud and a woman a whore... Have we come far enough as a society that this has not only equaled out, but completely reversed? I have made statements to this fact at other times alluding to the fact that women in modern america (certainly GenX) have greater freedom of sexual choice than men. In hetero relationships, the woman generally has her choice of men, whereas the man is expected to settle for any woman who deems him worthy of a fuck. In homosexual relationships... well for one thing, at least bisexual if not homosexual female relationships are much easier accepted by the general (read: white christian male) populace than male ones.

Perhaps this warrants a paper or at least 1000 words of free flowing hostility. Hmmm, if I co-write it with you, do we write 2000 words?
[User Picture]From: cuddlyd00m Date: August 31st, 2003 - 01:24 pm (Link)
Classically in our culture we call an oversexed man a stud and a woman a whore... Have we come far enough as a society that this has not only equaled out, but completely reversed?

I think it's important to draw a distinction between sex and pornography. I think that the classical definitions are somewhat equalling out when it comes to sex, but certainly not reversed. In terms of pornography, when society thinks of a male who is interested in pornography, they think of a greasy fat guy at a "24-Hour News-Stand" (there really was a porn-shop called that around the corner from where I lived in Houston) salivating over images of women with large breasts and loose morals. Women, on the other hand, are liberating themselves and getting in touch with their inner-something-or-other when they view pornography.

I think Dennis Miller said it best when talking about women and cigars - that when you see a woman smoking a stogie, what she's really saying is "Look guys, I can be just as big an asshole as you!" I think this applies to pornography, and strip clubs, just as well.

Just my couple hundred words of free-flowing hostility for you... ;)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 03:03 pm (Link)
true, they aren't the same things. I was just kind of following my line of thinking... part of the free-flowing thing, you see. :-) But yes, you make good points.
From: ludimagist Date: August 31st, 2003 - 02:44 pm (Link)

the mathematics of collaboration

The great question is whether the number of words is squared or doubled by collaboration.

The two of us together can summon a lot of histility I am sure.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 31st, 2003 - 02:45 pm (Link)

Re: the mathematics of collaboration

hmmmm... 1000 words of hostility, and another 1000 of histility....

whatever that is.
From: ludimagist Date: August 31st, 2003 - 02:47 pm (Link)

Re: the mathematics of collaboration

Spellcheck can cover a multitude of sins. Or even a miltitide.

If only I would use it more often.
 

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