March 29th, 2004

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12:23 pm - questions on the futility of adulthood...
Just out of curiosity. How many people actually like what they do for a living? I don't mean are you in nirvana. Life is by its very nature going to suck sometime. We can't all be Powerball winners. But seriously, do you actually enjoy what you do or do you hate it? Why or why not? Do you look forward to the new and exciting challenges of work or do you pray that a asteroid might crash into the earth and end your suffering? Do you expect things to get better? Are you afraid they might get worse? What keeps you going every day? Do you ever even think about these things or am I just an obsessive nutjob? (obviously, I know I am an obsessive nutjob, but am I JUST an obsessive nutjob?)

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[User Picture]From: fizzbang Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:27 am (Link)
Hrmm.. I enjoy what I do, even if I do get stressed about deadlines and frustrated on occasion. It's not what I want to do for the rest of my life, but it's a good place for now, and a good stepping stone to a position where I can make more interesting things for larger audiences. Or at least save up for grad school, from whence I can continue towards such aims.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:05 pm (Link)
grad school continues to remain sort of a pipe dream for me. I'd love to be able to go, but there's no way I can reasonably afford to do so as long as I have as much debt as I have. And paying off debt means working jobs with high salaries which also leaves little time for school, and of late also tends to leave me increasingly unhappy. Its a horrible vicious cylce, that I really need to find a way to break sooner rather than later.

Unfortunately, I really haven't been able to come up with a good way of doing that.
[User Picture]From: jameel Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:30 am (Link)
As you well know, I think about such things all the time. Knowing my mental state, take that as you will. My current job isn't very challenging; it's a means to an end. I work to live, but I don't live to work. I have a plan, and having food and shelter are two very important parts of that plan.

My fear that things will get worse is omnipresent. That said, I don't mind my job. It pays better than being a security guard, I work with some really nice people (some of whom give me candy), and I'm not expected to take my work home with me.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:11 pm (Link)
my current job isn't very challenging, and honestly the pay is great. The hard part is that its hard to consider it just a means to an end because I have such disdain for what I'm doing. Even thinking about it conceptually tends to make me ill. I wish I could say I had a job that I just don't care about and that the people are nice enough and yadda yadda yadda, but the honest truth is the success condition of doing my job well means that its that much harder for me (and tons of really good technology sector folks like me) to find a job tomorrow. Yes, I realize its temporary employment, but that's what my job is. My job is to put people like me out of work. And my wacked out since of honor and right and wrong and all that jazz makes it very hard for me to sleep nights thinking about that.

Damn you, Batman and your code of ethics that I grew up assimilating!!!
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From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 07:30 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: mistergone Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:38 am (Link)
I enjoy what I do. I don't look forward to it, as I'd rather be at home, playing video games. But when I get up in the morning, I have no qualms about taking my four hours of sleep, getting into my warm-but-not-hot-shower and spending an hour in the car to get there...

...and really, that's the best indication that I like this job.
[User Picture]From: muppetaphrodite Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:45 am (Link)
I enjoy what I do, but you knew that. ;) At the same time there's a hell of a lot of stress and 80-hour weeks and ridiculous demands, all of which would likely cause a lot of people to just throw up their hands and walk away. In the end, the *real* reason I like what I do is that I'm surrounded by awesome people who also like what they do. The fact that I get to play a lot of Nintendo is just a bonus. Here's hoping you find what you're looking for, Mav. :)
From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:20 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:17 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:16 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: qiika Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:43 am (Link)
I like what I do at times. It's good knowing that what I'm doing is improving the work day of so many thousands of people, and that *I* will affect the bottom line of this huge Corporation in some small way. Likely Millions of people will see my work in the next few years. That's good, and I do not stress over it, I know I'm doing a good job.

However, the Corporate World is not where I belong. I can play the game, but it's not for me. My job is my paycheck. Head down, ramming speed, and I'll get through this project. Now to put a few resumes out there in my spare time.

The Why of not always liking my job is part politicking, part job function, but mostly that I don't feel I'm fairly compensated. For what I'm doing, I should at least break $50k, no? Apparently not. But I'd trade some salary for flexibility in schedule and additional vaca days. And a guaranteed "no more than 40 hours". These 50hour+ weeks are really getting to me.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:33 pm (Link)
Ah see... you must have pride... I remember pride... vaguely... I don't remember what it felt like so much, but I think I used to like it...

[User Picture]From: jnanacandra Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:51 am (Link)
I absolutely love what I do, but I also make practically no money :/. And though I'm hoping the money will improve eventually, the chances of it ever being steady or luxurious are practically nil.That all too often seems to be the necessary tradeoff in modern society, which IMO is one of the biggest things wrong with modern society.... but that's a rant I'll leave to you, since you do them so well ;)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:39 pm (Link)
in my fondest dreams I actually own a little tiny dive bar with a room above it where I can write and paint. I don't make tons of money, but I'm happy. In reality, if I gave up "real" work to be a writer I'd not only starve (starving I can almost handle) but people would likely come and take away all my stuff... well definitely my truck... and they'd also probably not let me buy the bar... I still maintain that the answer is I should be left a large sum of money, but none of my dying relatives seemed to have any of that. So instead, I'm kind of working on winning the lottery. That isn't going so well...

life sucks...
[User Picture]From: rackletang Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:52 am (Link)
Hmm. I won't say I'm fulfilling my higher purpose or anything. I have had worse jobs. I have a genuine respect and affection for many of my co-workers and bosses. I also have a loathing of certain aspects of my day.

But hey, I move in a year, I'll be doing something else. It isn't fitting for someone with a highschool diploma to complain about their employment. I make enough to pay my rent, most months, and I'm thankful for that.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:42 pm (Link)
See, maybe if I had a goal like that it would help. In one year, I get to do X... yay! Only I don't really know what I'm going to be doing in a year. The best I have thus far is "in two weeks, this stupid contract assignment is over and I get to be unemployed again! yay!!!" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: March 29th, 2004 - 10:30 am (Link)
I like what I do a lot.

In my bad moments I worry that it will ultimately wind up being pointless (or misguided). I also worry that something will happen (like the company will fail) before we succeed.

I also often feel impatient (shouldn't we have made a bigger difference by now?). Sometimes I think about setting a deadline: if we haven't made a big splash by X date, screw it all, I'll go work for Google.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:45 pm (Link)
Sometimes I think about setting a deadline: if we haven't made a big splash by X date, screw it all, I'll go work for Google.

Hmm... so why don't you?
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[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:54 pm (Link)
well, that's the whole reason I brought this up in the first place.What I do (at least for the duration of this contract) is support offshore outsourcing... something that I tend to disagree with in general, and really don't like in the specific means in which we're doing it. And the fact that companies are becoming more and more "successful" at it (in no small part due to people doing jobs like mine), means that I may havce to "re-skill" and do something else. The one saving grace is, maybe I will do that and be happier... Jay-Z knows I couldn't be much more miserable... actually I shouldn't say that... I can always be more miserable. But anyway, the point is, I shouldn't have to. If I change careers, it should be because I want to. Not because all of the jobs are taken up by cheaper (and in this case, pretty inferior) labor.

On the other hand, maybe if I can find the next big thing now, and start doing it, then by the time the rest of you are looking to move over because all software development is now being done by methane based bacteria on Mars, I'll already have my foot in the door and I can be... oh joy of joys... middle management... I figure if I start today, I probably have at least a 3 or 4 week head start.
[User Picture]From: jd7a Date: March 29th, 2004 - 12:29 pm (Link)
I know where you're coming from. I don't like what I do. I keep going back because it beats being unemployed, and the paycheck is nice. Eventually, donutjay and I want to get out of the tech biz and do something more interesting. But right now we're just building up a nest egg so we *can* do other things without having to worry about money later.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 04:59 pm (Link)
yeah... see my above dreams (to jnanacandra about being a writer/bar keep. But its so hard to save that kinda loot. And as far getting out of the tech biz... its like the mafia in a lot of ways...
[User Picture]From: katieboyd Date: March 29th, 2004 - 01:08 pm (Link)
That depends on what you mean by what I do for a living. I'm a building supervisor. However, the nature of my job means that a good portion of my time at my job isn't really spent doing job duties, other than the duty of being there. So, I spend a lot of job time doing school work. I like my school work, or I wouldn't be trying to get into grad school. I generally enjoy what I'm doing while I'm at work. Sometimes I look forward to it, sometimes I don't. But, I don't know if you'd say that I'm enjoying being a building supervisor, or enjoying the job because I'm often spending the time there being a student.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:00 pm (Link)
hmm... need an assistant!?!
From: ludimagist Date: March 29th, 2004 - 02:22 pm (Link)
I like a lot of what I do (come on, today my job was to play with opera singers and swords). I'm working towards being able to do a lot more of what I like to do and get a much better paycheck for it than I'm getting now. I'm holding on to the optimism that this will work out.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:04 pm (Link)
hmm... need an assistant!?! I can probably work weekends, when I'm not being katie's assistant!
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[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: March 29th, 2004 - 02:37 pm (Link)
I love what I do, just not all of the conditions under which I do it. Of course, we already know that I am an obsessive nutjob. Also that it took me a lot of time to go ahead and do this. I spent quite a lot of times in jobs that I didn't like one bit, even if I liked the people in the office.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:08 pm (Link)
actually, I have considered being an english teacher before. I'd obviously much rather do it at college level, but then we're once again getting into that needing a degree thing. How hard is it to get a gig teaching high school? or middle school, which is what you do, I guess.
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[User Picture]From: theadana Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:07 pm (Link)
I love teaching... because I learn something new every day.

Sometimes it sucks big time, and is stressful, but the good parts are overwhelmingly good. I'm also glad to know I can do it anywhere.

Sometimes I worry that I won't be able to handle the full-time stress, but I think I'll be ready for it when it comes.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 05:19 pm (Link)
you would be the third person who has mentioned teaching here. And like I said to the others, its something I have thought about in the past but never persued... maybe I should really start thinking about it more.
From: whorfin Date: March 29th, 2004 - 08:29 pm (Link)

tech jobs are unfulfilling

I think a lot of people who work in the tech sector find it less than fulfilling. In my experience, there can be some gratification in solving problems and learning new things, but that gets old after a few years and it becomes drudgery plain and simple. It has for me at least.
Since I am unwilling to give up my fat paychecks to go back to school, at least for now, I had to find a job that gave me quality of life bonuses in terms of low stress, set hours and fun people to work with. That is doing the trick for the moment but it is only a band-aid.
Don't sweat off-shoring jobs, it is going to happen with or without your help. You might as well make a few bucks from it.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 29th, 2004 - 09:20 pm (Link)

Re: tech jobs are unfulfilling

lots of stuff happens with or without me causing it... I tend to take the stance that that doesn't make it right, and that I still don't have to be apart of it... I feel the same way about the two party political system, for instance.

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