April 15th, 2004


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04:13 pm - 1KWFFH: on the right to engage in extracurricular sporting activity.

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1KWFFH: on the right to engage in extracurricular sporting activity. - graffiti.maverick

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[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: April 15th, 2004 - 01:54 pm (Link)
The way life works, is that the people who are best at something are the people who are chosen to do a certain job.

Now, that's an interesting hypothesis. Certainly explains our present government. I suppose I should quit whining and admit that George W. Bush is the best possible President.

Also, aren't you unemployed? Are we to conclude that you aren't good at anything?

Anyway, my point is not to argue with the no-cut policy or its absence, merely to point out that your little meritocracy is an utter fantasy. (Maybe it would be *nice* if people's fates were decided on their merits, but it ain't so.)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 15th, 2004 - 02:00 pm (Link)
well sure its a fantasy... most of my rants are on some level or another, aren't they?

But anyway, no your logic doesn't follow... I would argue that me being unemployed whilst GWB is president is an aspect of the broken system that I was complaining about in the first place. Clearly there are people in the world less skilled than me doing jobs that I could do, so if people would just listen to what I said SHOULD happen, I should be able to bump them...

See... why am I not ruler?
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: April 15th, 2004 - 02:08 pm (Link)
Well, then, a meritocratic football team won't prepare the kids any better for the real world, will it? It's just choosing which fantasy-land you prefer the kiddies to live in...
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 15th, 2004 - 02:15 pm (Link)
ah touche.... played well young Higgins... played well....

seriously though... it's not merely the lack or merit in the system that bothers me. It's the lack of merit, the implication that everyone gets a fair chance, and the fallacy that the no-cut system is fair. Also, it's the insinuation that atheletic or physical skill is maningless compared to intellectual skill. Yes, I am speaking in terms of ideals, but as a matter of course, what more do we have?
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: April 15th, 2004 - 02:38 pm (Link)
Well, intellectual vs. "physical" skill is kind of a red herring. For all I know the same policy was used with the debate team and the chess team.

I think the substantive debate is actually kind of subtle. Presumably, at some points in a child's development, you do want "everyone to be a winner" in some sense. The idea is to inculcate enough self-esteem that the kid has enough of an internal motivational structure that he or she can go out there and take chances and risks. (Remember, when you're a young kid, you almost always lose in a fair competition because you haven't yet developed any skills.)

Later, you want to train the child to deal well with failure, so you make the competition more and more real. The question is, when and how do you switch over? High school is probably too old for "everyone is a winner". (Hell, third graders are smart enough to see through that.) But it's not obvious that you want full-on laissez-faire competition in every case either...
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 15th, 2004 - 02:59 pm (Link)
Well, intellectual vs. "physical" skill is kind of a red herring. For all I know the same policy was used with the debate team and the chess team.

True... I don't know either. I was basing the rant on the fact that the news story specifically was centering on sports. I think its just as wrong for the school stutterer to demand a spot on the debate team or the class idiot to demand a spot on the chess team.

Also, I agree that there is some merit to the idea of making sure that every four year old makes it on the tee-ball team. Yes it sucks being the last seven year old picked in dodgeball, but I think you hit the nail on the head with the point that high school is too old for that. These are people we trust to drive here. If someone can control a four thousand pound vehicle, then they need to have the good sense to judge whether or not they reasonably belong on a highschool football field.
 

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