October 11th, 2004

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05:38 pm - on silly things you hear on the radio...
so I was driving home from work today listening to the local negro radio station and I heard the oddest commercial. It was the voice of a 13-year-old white boy (odd in and of itself, because commercials on black radio stations generally strive to have very obviously "black voices" do their advertising) talking about a local technical school. You see the young lad, lets call him Jimmy Pez, wants to be a video game programmer when he grows up. Unfortunately, Jimmy's mother "doesn't know what a video game programmer is." Young Jimmy explains to his mother that one day he wants to make a video game that all kids just have to have, but in order to do that, he's going to have to go to technical school to learn how to program computers. Mrs. Pez is horrified and dead set against the idea because (I shit you not) "no one in the family has ever gone to college or technical school before." The commercial goes on to explain how young Jimmy tried to explain to his mother how important going to college was to him, and finally enlisted the aid of the school counselor who convinces Mother Pez that maybe college isn't that bad an idea after all.

What the hell!?!?!

Ok, I acknowledge that maybe my upbringing wasn't standard Americana fair. But I don't think the fact that my mother wanted me to go to college was that weird. Of course, seeing as how mamarayne has an IQ over 12 and would be able to piece together what the term "video game programmer" meant, maybe I am assuming too much. Of the people who read this journal, I know that at the very least, fromlust2dust, jazzyjess and jasongory are all still in high school. Most of the rest of you have gone to college for something or another at least for a little bit, even if you didn't graduate. But I've known a lot of people who didn't go over the years, or who were the first people in their families to go. I grew up with a ton of people who couldn't afford to send their kids away to college (hell, my mom couldn't afford to send me). I've even known parents who had kids who were high school dropouts but held onto the hope that some day they go back and go to college. But, I've never known of any parents who didn't want their kids to go because no one else in the family ever went. Does anyone know of anything like this ever happening? For that matter does anyone have parents who wouldn't be able to figure out what "video game programmer" meant? I mean, my grandfather never did anything more technical than programming his answering machine in his entire life, but he liked playing video game poker up til the day he died, and I think he could have pieced together the concept that somebody made that. And when I told him I was going to college he was *gasp* proud of me. He didn't say, what the hell is wrong with you boy? Why can't you just go off to war and then come back and work in the steel mill like I did.

Am I just way off base here? Maybe I just don't understand white people.

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[User Picture]From: jazzyjess Date: October 11th, 2004 - 02:55 pm (Link)
yeah um...that's kind of ridiculous. i've only heard parents bitch about their kids NOT going to college. =/
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:14 pm (Link)
yep... pretty much. Though I think that's wrong too. But at least I sort of understand that. This commercial was just stupid.
[User Picture]From: drspooky Date: October 11th, 2004 - 02:59 pm (Link)
I think I should start a campaign to discourage people from going into this lien of work.

"Here, Jimmy: Sit still for 70 hours a week. Stop sleeping. Gain 20 pounds. Lose your girlfriend. Have no friends. Learn to live with havign a constant headache. Now, Jimmy, after you do that for a few months, imagine that your thanks for all of this is thousands of 15 year olds telling you how much you suck."*

Now, still want to make games, Jimmy? Sucker.

*I kid, but I'm having a bad day, so I'm going to complain.
[User Picture]From: muppetaphrodite Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:09 pm (Link)
Yes, and live with the constant reminder that if you aren't happy with your job and your pay and all of their crap, they'll hire one of those countless 15 year olds to take your place.

Oh, and then they'll post embarassing videos of you to Gamespot, just to top things off.

Where do I sign up for the campaign? ;)

(Yes, I kid too. Sort of.)
From: drspooky Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:14 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:20 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:16 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:24 pm (Link)
From: drspooky Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:32 pm (Link)
From: monkey587 Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:12 pm (Link)
That was far short of 1000 words...
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:13 pm (Link)
I'm actually working on 1000 words on something else right this very minute...
From: monkey587 Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:14 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:25 pm (Link)
From: anukul Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:16 pm (Link)
I'm too lazy to dig up any sources, but I think there is a common conception of a problem in poor families that are somehow culturally biassed against advanced education. Whether it is because no one in the family has gone to college or they think the prospect of paying for advanced education as "obviously too expensive", somehow they explicitly or inadvertantly wind up giving kids the impression that they shouldn't or couldn't go. Now, I have no idea if this is simplistic pattern is at all statistically significant, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's not easy to pony up the money for an post-secondary education and I can imagine that there are folks who aren't lucky enough to have a mom who is passionate about education. Who knows.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:29 pm (Link)
yeah, I can definitely see thinking college is too expensive. Hell, I want to go back to college and I KNOW college is too expensive. But this commercial definitely seemed to be aiming towards the idea that college was "bad" because no one else from the family went or something like that. And I've just never heard that one before. At least not that I remember. I haven't been a poor 13 year old kid in a while. And I was never actually a poor white 13 year old kid. I guess that's kinda why I mentioned it here.
From: marmal8 Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:40 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 05:54 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: beststephi Date: October 11th, 2004 - 03:59 pm (Link)
I'm the first person in my family (immediate and their ancestors) to go to college. My mom thought I should get a job out of high school, or, if I MUST go to college, go to CCAC. If my dad had an opinion, he never expressed it. But somehow I got the idea that I wanted to be a psychologist (maybe to understand people I didn't, like my parents :).

Also, my ex, who's a physicist, had a grandfather who couldn't understand why he needed an edumacation when he could get a good job working in the mines.

Some people are just stuck at the concrete level.
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: October 11th, 2004 - 04:23 pm (Link)
Some people are just stuck at the concrete level.

That would be construction, not in the mines.
From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 05:58 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: October 12th, 2004 - 07:13 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: jacquez Date: October 11th, 2004 - 06:38 pm (Link)
You just don't understand white folk.

Or, any rate, dumb as fuck white folk, who have some kind of retarded asshole thing about how if your family historically has not gone to college then you are just being snooty and above yourself and you hate your family etc etc if you want to go to college.

It is INCREDIBLY FUCKING DUMB. Just like a lot of those people.
[User Picture]From: jacquez Date: October 11th, 2004 - 06:41 pm (Link)
I should note that I have a massive hate on for some specific dumb as fuck white folk what treat good friends of mine badly for going to college. So if you tone down my cussing a lot, you have something close to the truth.
From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 08:31 pm (Link)
From: wooble Date: October 11th, 2004 - 07:43 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 11th, 2004 - 08:33 pm (Link)
well, I've only heard the commercial once. This evening. I didn't mention it, but this morning, I actually heard the corresponding commercial, starring the mother, this morning on K-ROCK during Howard Stern. So I don't think they are specifically targetting blacks so much as just stupid people. But who knows.
[User Picture]From: marsinthestars Date: October 11th, 2004 - 10:35 pm (Link)
I've actually seen a lot of this lately. Just as many parents worry about children moving too far away, or marrying someone who will make them ashamed of their parents, it is a common fear among families where no one has gone to college that the child will be torn away from them, and be unable to relate to them/ashamed of them/just not part of the family anymore if he/she goes to college. I have some friends working in various low-income areas in NYC and in Buffalo, and they encounter many children who are VERY negative towards college because their parents have always discouraged it.

And the thing is, I can sort of see their point. Or rather, their fear. When you come right down to it, the parents are right- if that kid is a super genius and is suddenly off at college becoming a neuroscientist, they are going to be pushed away a bit from the family they knew, and they are going to have this whole life the family cannot relate to. And it does push people apart, in the same way that moving far away or marrying someone in a very different socio-economic level would.

But there is a distinct difference between having that fear, and stopping the child from doing something based on that fear.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 12th, 2004 - 06:33 am (Link)
this is an interesting point. I do agree that college has a way of pushing families apart. Colleges tend to encourage, I dunno, more intellectual thinking, and as such tend to breed radical, promiscuous, libertarian, polyamorous, drug using, bisexual, wiccan, tattooed, vegetarian atheists. That's kind of one of the cool things about college. You go there to find your self and become a unique individual just like all your friends. It never surprises me when I see a nice white boy from a well to do suburban who goes into CMU resembling Ricky or David Nelson and goes home for Thanksgiving with a mohawk a tongue ring and his boyfriend Gerald that he met at the Beehive. I guess I just don't expect the families to be worried about such a thing. Like I said, I knew a lot more families who were convinced that their not pothead, failure of a son was going to just skate by in high school, get into Lorain County Community College and someday be president of the United States.
[User Picture]From: mistergone Date: October 12th, 2004 - 11:18 am (Link)
Maybe I just don't understand white people.

Me neither. Word.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 12th, 2004 - 12:48 pm (Link)
A salaam alaykum, my nubian brother...
From: ludimagist Date: October 12th, 2004 - 11:15 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 13th, 2004 - 06:10 am (Link)
From: ludimagist Date: October 12th, 2004 - 11:18 pm (Link)
I haven't heard of "don't go to college," but I have heard of "we are not going to pay for you to study (theater/art/literature/etc) because it's not a "real" course of study." I have also heard of well to do families threatening to pull their kids out of prestigious universities because of them not being in an approved major, or dropping below a certain GPA.

I don't pretend to understand it, but I have heard of it.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 13th, 2004 - 06:12 am (Link)
oh yeah, I know plenty of people like that. klh doubled in music and ece because her parents didn't consider music to be a real major and that's the only way they'd pay for school. And there was a really cute girl who went to junior high with me who used to get grounded if she ever got a B.

Some people just suck.

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