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[User Picture]From: ouchfest Date: October 21st, 2004 - 03:31 pm (Link)
Dude, I don't live in Oakland. I go to school in Chester, PA. Various clinical research projects by my collegues and professors have shown that the people here do not go to college, nor even leave Chester. It has the worst school district in the state.

More importantly, my point was that evaluations can be made with a high probability of accuracy when based on appearance and context. Even in the absense of context, appearance becomes the only source of information, and should be used. Otherwise, no one would ever be able to make a judgement about anything because we would have to "there's still some information about it that I don't have" forever.

Sometimes we will make mistakes, sure. If I saw Ratha with makeup and clothes from the GAP, I wouldn't start a conversation with her, and I'd miss out. But the system works most of the time, and is more efficient than the alternative.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 21st, 2004 - 09:11 pm (Link)
My apologies on the wrong assumption of where you lived and went to school. Of course, if nothing else that proves how wrong assumptions can be. As for the people of Chester, you admit there that you aren't judging based on appearance. You are judging based on other research. Additional information. Their appearance is a red herring.

How do you not have forever. Is your time really that important? In that high demand. If it is, then you really shouldn't b e wasting it dealing with people or relationships in the first place.

The problem is you have no proof or test that "the system works." The system is based upon your own beliefs and judged by the very same. If you would be wrong to judge Ratha, how do you know you haven't misjudged countless other people who you haven't invested time in because of their appearance. Maybe you haven't misjudged them, but you have no actual information with which to support that claim because in doing so you'd immediately invalidate your basic premise.
[User Picture]From: ouchfest Date: October 22nd, 2004 - 06:52 pm (Link)
At the risk of sounding offensive (probably too late), I think that your experience as an extremely astereotypical black man causes you to strongly object to anyone who dares let their behavior be affected by stereotypes. You hate having people treat you certain ways because of their schemas of black men, so my behavior of avoiding prom queens in favor of grungie chicks IN THE ABSENSE OF OTHER INFORMATION is to be reviled and antagonized. You want those old white ladies who reach for their mace to get to know you before they react to you, so you want me to get to know prom queens before I decide to not talk to them. I understand that my experiences are nowhere near the extent of yours, but I've felt some hurt when women cringe from me or run across the street at night just because of my appearance.

I will reiterate that those situations are more related to the bastardly, sensationalistic media and generations of ignorant bigots indoctrinating the gullible, whereas my stereotypes have been developed from my numerous first-hand interactions. Yes, they're still imperfect, but they're more efficient than the alternative, which is to get the full biography of everyone I ever see.

Damn, I hate even feeling like something I said sounded psychodynamic. I have to critique some empirical research as penance.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 21st, 2004 - 09:38 pm (Link)
also... the GAP? Please! I am offended.

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