February 11th, 2005

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12:32 pm - can you be bought out of your ethical dietary decisions?

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From: dcalle Date: February 11th, 2005 - 10:20 am (Link)

Oh, easily.

...but I don't believe it is unethical to kill and eat animals. I have many reasons for being a vegetarian, but the primary one is that I don't want to support the mass-market meat industry and all its attendant cruelty, environmental impact, health problems, etc. Eating one meal of meat, even if it was purchased from "Factory Farms R Us - overusing antibiotics since 1958", isn't going to affect anything overly much. I'm sure my body would be pretty unhappy about it, because I haven't eaten meat in years, but I could deal.

I am as strict with myself as I am because it's easier psychologically to eat no meat than to eat very little meat (slippery slope). Also, it makes more of a point...for example, vegetarians have an impact on what restaurants will serve because a vegetarian won't walk into a restaurant that has no vegetarian options. An occasional meat eater can walk into any restaurant because, if there are no veggie options or even if the veggie options aren't any good, they can still find something to eat....so their impact on the bottom line is much less.

Let's see....I don't think $100 would be enough....it's not worth breaking a good track record....but I'd probably do it for less than $1000. Maybe $500?

For a chance at money...well...I'd just view it statistically. A 50% chance of winning $1000....a 1% chance of winning $50,000, etc.

And it depends on how much I'm being asked to eat...a bite would be cheaper than a whole worm-sandwich, and it'd take a lot of money to for me to be a carnivore for a day.

However, in defense of the vegan - vegans are different - way different. To put it fairly simply, most vegans consider animals to be people too. They equate killing an animal with murder, and keeping animals for their products (milk, eggs, honey, etc.) as slavery. Would you eat human meat for money? Would you drink human milk if it came from women locked up in giant factory farms hooked up to milking machines and forced to lactate with hormones and drugs and whose children are locked in tiny pens like dog crates so their meat stays tender so it can be sold as a delicacy? How much money would that take?

So I'm not surprised a vegan wouldn't eat animal even for a chance to win a lot of money.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 11th, 2005 - 10:40 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

for the right price I absolutely would eat human flesh. Anyway, to complicate your story a bit, the girl lost that particular turn because she was unable to get herself to eat the fish. On the next round she did make herself eat a bug though. So really, its not so cut and dry as "I can't eat any animal at any cost."

As for your statistics Fear Factor is (usually) 8 people trying for $50,000, so well within your odds.

Survivor on the other hand is 16 people going for $1million, but what's more, there are consolation prizes along the way. IIRC, the runner up gets $100K. And even the first person eliminated gets $2500, for their threedays of island hardship. Everyone else is somewhere inbetween, so yeah, its probably well within your cut-off.
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:11 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

(Disclaimer: leather-jacket-wearing non-vegan speaking)

Yeah, but it can't be just "random dead person" meat. For the ethical parallel to be exact, it has to be a person who was murdered in cold blood for the sole purpose of being eaten by you. So, if you stick to your guns, you've just said you will be the cause of the murder of an innocent person "for the right price."

As for bugs, presumably she doesn't consider them people. That's no more inconsistent than not considering bacteria or fruit people... you have to draw the line somewhere.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:18 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

hmmm... Perhaps. I don't remember it if was a live fish or not. The bug was definitely living.
[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:41 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

It doesn't matter, ethically. She doesn't have to kill the fish herself, she merely has to be the cause of its murder, which she refuses to be.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:42 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

ah ok... and yet she has no qualms about bugs... ok, I don't know that I buy the argument really, but I will at least acknowledge its consistency.
From: dcalle Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:22 am (Link)

Human flesh, huh?

Just where are you going to get this human flesh? Let's specify human flesh taken against the will of the donor. Still want to eat it?

I'm not squeamish about meat...when I ate meat, I ate raw fish, shredded raw jellyfish, ostrich meat, etc. I really miss sushi and would love to try sea urchin. So human flesh, sure, if you can somehow acquire it without murder or torture. And if it were guaranteed disease-free.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:41 am (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

ya know... I know it sounds weird. But if I'm on a gameshow for a million dollars, and its being broadcast by CBS across the world, it would likely never occur to me to even wonder the circumstances of where the human meat came from. It's TV. I trust TV. It used to be my baby sitter.
[User Picture]From: vixendarkfairy Date: February 12th, 2005 - 01:55 am (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

No, you couldn't pay me to eat human flesh. I'm certainly not squeamish about it in any way; I just have a Nature argument. I firmly believe it is a violation of genetic code for any species to eat itself. At the very basic level, all species exist to survive and propigate their own kind. Eating your own kind hinders the survival of the species...

Moreover, if what they say about human flesh being addictive to humans is true, then even one taste could result in all sorts of antisocial behavior...

Now, most other foods are fair game. I eat red meat -- cooked or almost raw, veggies, sushi, what have you. I like to try new things, and seem to like 90% of the things I've tasted. Bugs? Well I guess that if I ate dirt for 50 cents on a dare when I was 5 years old, then for a million dollars as an adult I'd probably eat anything BUT human flesh.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 12th, 2005 - 08:22 am (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

interesting take. To be fair, I don't know what it would take to get me to eat human flesh. Its certainly the most out there of all the suggestions that have come of this conversation.

Anyway, all of your points were well stated. But 50 cents? I think you have undercut everyone else's bids so far. :-)
[User Picture]From: vixendarkfairy Date: February 12th, 2005 - 03:02 pm (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

*laughs at self* Yep, that was me! Man, when you're 5, 50 cents sounds like so much... I mean, that's 10 Bazooka gums!
[User Picture]From: vixendarkfairy Date: February 12th, 2005 - 02:01 am (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

BTW, I forgot to address the food allergy point... Dairy? I'd be sick for days, but I'd deal if I made more from the dare than from the workdays I'd miss. Same for the fried or spicey foods -- with the exception of those superhot pepper seeds which would probably make my ulcered stomach bleed and put me in the hospital ICU. Anything with Penicillan? No. It'd kill me, and then I wouldn't be around to enjoy the cash.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 12th, 2005 - 08:24 am (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

yeah, dying and not being able to enjoy the cash wouldd certainly put a hamper on the whole thing.

What is the source of your dairy allergy? Lactose intolerance or anaphylactic like mine? Or something else?
From: vixendarkfairy Date: February 12th, 2005 - 03:07 pm (Link)

Re: Human flesh, huh?

[User Picture]From: blk Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:25 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

One of my vegan friends has a food rule of "nothing with a face." If I remember correctly, he is OK with shrimp, because (by his considerations) they are too stupid to live or something like that. He's fun to joke around with. :)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: February 11th, 2005 - 11:43 am (Link)

Re: Oh, easily.

so do you expect he'd decide that a cow suddenly deserved it if there was $1million on the line?

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