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09:52 pm - on Wørds and Wisdom... (and a little about Women at the end)

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on Wørds and Wisdom... (and a little about Women at the end) - graffiti.maverick

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[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: May 17th, 2006 - 09:39 pm (Link)

Re: and then i thought on it some more

However your model is casting all these folks as fanatics, fundies, schizophrenics, and poopooheads, and if you're honest with yourself I don't think you'll find that you actually approve of their ideas as truths having as much validity as yours.

They are welcome to their ideas so long as they do not force them on other people or go around screaming at people and beating people up for thinking differently. It is forcing your ideas on someone else that makes you a poopoohead.

I'm not compelled to try and understand it.

As a general rule, I'm not into compelling people.
Yes, this does make my professional life difficult, but it works for my personal life. Some random person doesn't wanna understand me? Fine. Doesn't bother me.

[User Picture]From: max1975 Date: May 17th, 2006 - 10:23 pm (Link)

Re: and then i thought on it some more

But they're not welcome to those ideas which require them to beat people up for thinking differently. So some ideas are better than others.

Some random person doesn't wanna understand me? Fine. Doesn't bother me.

I'm all for avoiding conflict as much as possible, and in general I'm happy to let people believe what they want. But if someone (conscientiously adhering to his own truth) is doing something that's hurting me, I need to be able to make a compelling argument that he shouldn't do that (and I can't do that honestly unless I believe my point of view is superior, i.e. closer to an unknown truth which applies to us both). Maybe he'll listen and maybe he won't, but he should at least have the opportunity. There are only so many places I can walk away to.
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: May 17th, 2006 - 11:21 pm (Link)

Re: and then i thought on it some more

So some ideas are better than others.

The idea of beating people up is generally a bad one, IMO. But deciding to beat people up based on the fact that they hold different ideas from you is not the fault of the ideas.

In any case, I don't see how you can convince anyone that your point of view is closer to The Truth if they believe that their idea is closer to The Truth.

At least you don't resort to veiled insults and imply that only people who agree with you are smart. I consider that kind of behavior equivalent to fundamentalism.
[User Picture]From: max1975 Date: May 18th, 2006 - 03:41 am (Link)

Re: and then i thought on it some more

The idea of beating people up is generally a bad one, IMO. But deciding to beat people up based on the fact that they hold different ideas from you is not the fault of the ideas.

It is if beating people up for that reason is part of the idea. And there are plenty of ideas like that (although I guess they normally prefer "kill" to "beat up.")

In any case, I don't see how you can convince anyone that your point of view is closer to The Truth if they believe that their idea is closer to The Truth.

It's not easy. It requires that people be open to the possibility, however remote, that they're wrong. Maybe most people aren't able to do this, but if you neve give them the chance, they'll never surprise you.

It's probably pretty rare that one person convinces the other completely, but I think it frequently happens that each person comes away with an expanded point of view that is closer to the Truth than the ones they held previously.
 

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