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[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: July 7th, 2006 - 09:05 pm (Link)
You said you were against school uniforms because they quench individuality. Bah. You wanna be original? Say something original, do something original, overwhelm me by doing something that shows you don't follow the herd. Most clothing follows a herd; that is why it is designed, marketed and sold in the first place. That said, I do applaud kids who follow a different herd than the one everyone else is following. I adore my little goths and punks for daring to be different from the masses.

I could make the same argument about your feelings on dress code being unoriginal. That said, i really do very much believe everything I've said here.

In the case of uniforms vs. following a fashion trend, there is a very real difference. The kids who go out and buy GQ or Cosmo and try to wear the latest trends may not be blazing new ground, but they are CHOOSING how they want to look. Even if their personality is totally derivative and they are complete followers, they are still doing that on their own, and that promotes growth of identity (even if that identity is that of a fashion lemming). By providing uniforms the choice is being removed from them, and the individuality subjugated. The identity is being forced on them, and I consider that wrong. For instance, I'm pretty clearly pushing for people to take pride in being as pretty as they can, but I totally support an individuals right to choose to not be pretty. That's different than me requiring people to be pretty.

The purpose of uniforms is specifically to supplant individuality in favor of the group dynamic. That's why the military wears them. Look it up. :-) The purpose of fashion is to create a template by which one can express themselves in an attractive manner, the individuality comes in the specific ways in which that template is implemented. I made that one up, but I believe it.
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: July 7th, 2006 - 09:18 pm (Link)
If I had said I was totally against the dress code, you could say that was unoriginal too. After all, you said it "first," [1] so agreeing with you would be just as unoriginal as agreeing with the dress code. So it's good you didn't make that argument.

As for uniforms...I don't think how a person dresses is the ultimate or only possible expression of their individuality. I think a person's ability to be an individual can not be squashed by putting that person in a uniform. One could argue that taking away the easiest expression of individuality - clothing choice - requires a person to find more creative ways to express who they are - poetry, dance, music, sports, class clowning, blowing up stuff behind the Quickie-Mart, sexual promiscuity, whatever you like.

But let's get to the real issue. (Why) Do you value individuality over fitting into a group?

[1] Where "first" equals first in this post, not first ever.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: July 8th, 2006 - 07:50 am (Link)
I thought I answered this already, but I don't see it.

One may look at the stereotypical promiscuity of catholic school girls, one might assume you're right, but i tend to attribute it much more to kids in general just wanting to rebel against authority of any type. I think a far better way of promoting individuality than forcing visual conformity is to simply promote those individual pursuits.

I wouldn't say I devalue group dynamics. Quite the contrary. I value individuality because diversity improves the group dynamic by bringing alternate ideas and concepts into it.

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