July 28th, 2006


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12:22 pm - on children, clones and cell research...

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[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: July 28th, 2006 - 07:07 pm (Link)
These are neither arguments for nor against:

1. I think it's really easy for people to make decisions about things that don't directly affect them. The decision might well change if it was "hey, can we have YOUR unused embryos" the same way that people's opinions on abortion and homosexuality change when it affects people close to them.

2. I think this represents a tremendous money-making opportunity for broke college students.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: July 31st, 2006 - 02:23 am (Link)
1. I dunno that not being in the situation means you can't make reasonable decisions. I've never been a slave, but I'm pretty sure I'm against it. I've neer been a prostitute, but I'm pretty sure I'm for it.

2. If you encouraged the creation of the embryos in natural means, I'm sure you'd have no shortage of signups.
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: July 31st, 2006 - 03:22 am (Link)
Your comparison in #1 is oversimplified. You, like many people, take the view that slavery was bad because the slaves suffered. Sure, but slavery was extremely beneficial for the slaveowners! They were all for it! If you're going to make a comparison, explore all angles. I'm still waiting for irrefutable evidence that embryos aren't alive/feeling/conscious/ensouled.

As for #2, sperm donors have always been easy to come by. Egg donation pays more due to the invasiveness and inconvenience. Research companies can afford to pay more for eggs than childless couples can. So then we start asking who "deserves" the eggs more. Still, I can't see actually becoming pregnant and then saying "sure, harvest my uterus." Sounds painful both emotionally and physically.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: July 31st, 2006 - 12:15 pm (Link)
1) Not at all oversimplified. Merely a judgement on the level of my own personal values. Speaking as Mav:
  • slavery bad
  • prostitution good
  • embryos alive but unfeeling
  • non-black people, un-ensouled
Speaking analytically, I agree morality is a measure of the deviation in ideology of the individual vs. the ideology of the society. But it seemed as though you were asking about my views, not societies.

2) Which is why you would pay a lot.
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: July 31st, 2006 - 03:05 pm (Link)
I wasn't really asking for anyone's opinions so much as putting a couple ideas out there for consideration. I guess it's inevitable that people will have opinions and feel compelled to express them. :p I actually know very little about this subject, which is why I'm not expressing an opinion.

1) Well, it's my own fault because I made the mistake of replying to what you said instead of reinforcing my original point - that it's easy to make decisions about things that don't directly involve you. I'm not saying that those decisions are reasonable or unreasonable, just that they're a lot easier when they're depersonalized. You've actually proven my point by making them.

As to whether embryos are alive or feeling or ensouled (ethnicity permitting), it's possible to have an opinion or a theory on the subject, but it's not actually a matter of opinion. It either is or it isn't, and people's opinions don't make it so or not so. Popular consensus, though it often functions as The Truth, isn't actually The Truth.

2) Which is why I better get busy.
 

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