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[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: August 16th, 2006 - 04:49 pm (Link)
I've always thought of Miss America less of a parade of girls to bone and more of a parade of girls to make into trophy wives. It's not about their gyrating hips. It's about them being attractive, but in that socially acceptable way; talented, as one's trophy wife should be; articulate (as per the interviews), but not prone to saying anything controversial or uncouth; able to look fit without being sexual (who wants a skank for a trophy wife? The Nouveau Riche, that's who! That will never do.) and pick out a bland but expensive dress to wear to see one's rich coworkers.

The Miss USA pageants, I've never gotten. I've watched them a few times, and the women are almost universally unattractive, at least to my standards. They generally look fairly plastic, with fake orange-colored tans and utterly boring presentation. Rather like porn stars, whom I also find unattractive. I suppose perhaps they're supposed to look bonable by the average Joe Schmoe, who apparently find boring to be attractive. I haven't seen the Miss Teen USA pageant ever, but if it lives up to the boring that I remember seeing from Miss USAs, I would expect it to be rather as you said.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 16th, 2006 - 06:23 pm (Link)
that's an interesting set of points about the Miss America contest. I never really thought about it before, But you might have something there.

As for the Miss USA contest, I never really thought they looke pornish before at all. But maybe I have a more discerning eye than you do. I do see your point. Certainly there is a Barbie inspired aura about them.

And yes, you're right. You're not the audience the contest is trying to attract. I don't know that its fair to call them boring just for that reason though. I mean, by definition, aren't pretty much all people who you don't find attractive boring? isn't that the definition?

I'll grant, I was saying that they were boring too. But I wasn't so much talking about the way they looked (though, as I said, id didn't think they were all that attractive) I was more talking about how there just seemed to be no point to the entire show, even from a female objectification point of view.
[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: August 16th, 2006 - 09:22 pm (Link)
I once said the Miss America = Trophy Wife thing in a conversation and realized it to be full of truth. Look it up in your gut!

I don't really think the Miss USA contestants look like porn stars so much as look... uhm, boring in the same way as porn stars? "Barbie" really is a better word than "porn star", I guess.

And no, there are lots of people that I think look interesting that I don't find attractive, though it is true that I don't find anyone attractive that I don't also find interesting. Perhaps you have less severe standards for attractiveness than I do (this would not be unheard of, I'm sure), but I speculate that perhaps from an attractiveness-objectification point of view, it did have a point for people that like a more... boring look. I can't think of a better word than boring. If you find the Miss USA contestants generally attractive, I shall probably conclude that this is not the case.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 17th, 2006 - 12:40 am (Link)
I haven't seen Miss America in years, I don't really remember much about it. I do usually find some of the Miss USA contestants attractive. Not all of them though.

As for the boring vs. attractive thing. I wasn't saying that looking interesting makes you look attractive. The elephant man looked interesting. I'm just saying that if you find someone attractive it would follow that you think they look interesting. Kind of a tautology in my mind. Don't you think?
[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: August 17th, 2006 - 03:09 am (Link)
Oh definitely. The set of "attractive people" is fully a subset of "interesting-looking people". I assume this is the case for most people.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 17th, 2006 - 04:02 am (Link)
yep, that's all I'm sayin'

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