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08:45 am - on Hooters and hypocrisy...

8-20-06
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So back on Sunday, I went to watch a wrestling PPV at Hooters with suicideking, jakegarrett, bobbyjaggers, devindevine, Chuck Roberts and CJ Sensation. beststephi of course didn't go, because it was a wrestling thing and a Hooters thing and she hates both. But that brings up something I have been thinking about. You see, Steph admits that she's never been to Hooters. She has no idea what its like. She just seems to have this vague understanding that the environment is somehow sexist and inappropriate. Clearly if you look at the picture to the right, you can see that nothing could be farther from the truth. :-)

Really though, it always surprises me how many women claim that sort of thing about Hooters or strip clubs or men's magazines or whatever without having actually been there. Ok, granted, its pretty obvious that there is kind of a sexy-inspired theme to Hooters, but sexist? Hardly. More campy and tacky (in a fun way) than anything else.

What's wrong with having a fun sexist kind of place anyway. Yes, if you go to a strip club, you are going there to objectify women. But its totally consensual. That's the point. Its the place where such behavior is acceptable. And I wouldn't call it sexist, because women can go too. But objectifying certainly.

I've been asked before how I would feel if there were a male version of the Hooters restaurant called "Cocks" or something like that and wouldn't I be offended and not want to go. Honestly, if such a thing existed, I think I'd have to show up some time.

Now male strip clubs. That's just wrong! The travesty! Uh, or something.... Oh wait, horny chicks will shove money down my underwear? On second thought....

So where do other people stand on Hooters? Both male and female. Are you offended by it? Ever been to one? What about strip clubs? What about male versions of either establishment?

Also, starting up my fantasy football league again very soon. Is anyone interested?

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From: (Anonymous) Date: August 24th, 2006 - 12:52 pm (Link)
I have been to Hooters (twice) and I did find it offensive, primarily because the chicks all wore super shiny supporthose, but also because I thought their food was abysmal.

I will fantasy football.
[User Picture]From: thwomp Date: August 24th, 2006 - 12:52 pm (Link)
oops, that was me.
From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 01:35 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: alazrael Date: August 24th, 2006 - 12:58 pm (Link)
Honestly, I find the excessive amount of makeup worn by some of the waitresses more offensive than their hot pants. The place is amusing enough. I've pretty much created a tradition of gathering my single friends and going there for Valentines Day (I've probably done this 5 or 6 times by now), so it's near and dear to my heart for that reason.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:32 pm (Link)
well, my point has always been that its not really about being sexy. Its about being tacky. Ok, its about being sexy but in a tacky way. They didn't pick the color bright orange on accident. So the excessive makeup kind of fits right in.

Your valentines day tradition is amusing. If I were single, it'd be the kind of thing that I might want to join in on.
[User Picture]From: rmitz Date: August 24th, 2006 - 01:00 pm (Link)
I was vaguely bored by it. And the food was nothing to write home about.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:33 pm (Link)
I think the food is ok. Not the best I've ever had, but on par with TGI Fridays or Damons and what not.
[User Picture]From: je2i Date: August 24th, 2006 - 01:04 pm (Link)
Unrelated to Hooters, but speaking of wresting PPV's, do you (or anyone you know) want a pile of VHS recordings of WWF PPV's from 1998-2001? I have about 40 tapes that I found in the back of my closet. I no longer own a VHS player, so they are useless to me. You're welcome to them free if you want them.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 01:33 pm (Link)
sold! for the great price of free!
From: je2i Date: August 24th, 2006 - 05:02 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:33 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: mokatz Date: August 24th, 2006 - 02:15 pm (Link)

On Hooters & Stripclubs

I'm of the opinion that Hooters et al are actually exploitive of men more than anything else. I mean, show a guy some boobies and he'll pretty much do anything you want. If that's not exploitation, I don't know what is.

Back in my college days, when my fraternity bros dragged me along to a strip club, I usually ended up real depressed cause either A) I wanted my own, real girlfriend, or 2) I missed my own, real, girlfriend.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:36 pm (Link)

Re: On Hooters & Stripclubs

yeah, I think that's the main reason it isn't really exploitive. Its a business that is selling an image. It's no more exploitive of the girls than Hard Rock or Planet Hollywood is exploitive of the celebrities.

Despite what one might father the way I write and talk here, I'm not actually much of a strip club fan. If naked women are dancing around for my benefit, I like to be able to touch them.
[User Picture]From: suicideking Date: August 24th, 2006 - 02:52 pm (Link)
TBH, I hate hooters. I went there for the PPV. The food is awful and the waitresses are , in my experience, well on there way to having the general anger at the world that most strippers have. If they could find some hot, NON-bitchy women to objectify, that would be cool.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:37 pm (Link)
I think developing a nice bitter general anger towards the world is an important part of growing up. But then I'm kinda a cynic.
[User Picture]From: blk Date: August 24th, 2006 - 03:04 pm (Link)
Never been to Hooters, and not really interested in going. I've been to a couple strip clubs, and they can be fun, but more for the social aspect than the sex aspect. I went to one as part of a bachelor party and it was a total hoot (got my own lapdance, too); I went once with a couple shy SOs who weren't so into it (and the girls were less personable) and it was pretty boring.

If I want skin and sex and objectivism, I have other, safer, much better places where I can get it.
[User Picture]From: nowishere Date: August 24th, 2006 - 03:58 pm (Link)
hahaha, objectivism.

is that what you meant to say?
From: blk Date: August 24th, 2006 - 05:26 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:47 pm (Link)
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 24th, 2006 - 03:56 pm (Link)
I have been to Hooters. I didn't find it particularly offensive. Food is overpriced, but that's what I expect in any sort of theme restaurant like that.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:48 pm (Link)
yep.
[User Picture]From: akiramich Date: August 24th, 2006 - 04:50 pm (Link)
Ive been to Hooters once or twice, but dont care for the food. If your spending the money to eat, Id rather have good food and good atmosphere and not worry so much about who was serving.

I have no comments on Strip Clubs on the grounds that I may incriminate myself.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 09:57 pm (Link)
that's fair. Not liking the food is a fine reason to not go, I think. But claiming that you just can't go because its sexist seems... I dunno... uninformed.
From: akiramich Date: August 24th, 2006 - 11:50 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 12:05 am (Link)
From: zare_k Date: August 24th, 2006 - 05:00 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 10:07 pm (Link)
You were at the wrong strip club. I've been to lots of them, and while yes, obviously, they're going to mostly cater to the "lowest common denominator" since they're a business and they want to make money, its always been my experience that there's usually something of a variety. Meaning, sure, you'll have a lot of california blondes, since that's the bets way to make the most money, but generally there's also a bunch of brunettes, red heads, african americans, tattoo'd punks, full figured girls, etc. since they know that the men (and women) in attendance are going to have varied tastes.

And yes, as I pointed out in other comments, I much prefer "the real thing." But that doesn't mean that the simulation can't be fun. Kinda the same way I much prefer saving the world to watching a movie, but movies about saving the world are kinda fun too.

That reminds me... I need to go save the world. Its been a while.
[User Picture]From: thomas_sean Date: August 24th, 2006 - 08:11 pm (Link)

Exploitation

At first glance, It seems to me that what Hooters delivers is not very different from any other sports bar that hires waitresses or waiters based on their appearance. An attractive wait staff can be a selling point for repeat business, so can an effective and capable wait staff (they aren't mutually exclusive). Physical attractiveness is a commodity in hospitality(ask anyone in show business), but in my experience Hooters doesn't consistently offer even that. All it offers is a guarantee that your wait staff will be female, she'll be wearing a wonderbra, the campy uniform and her shirt will be very tight. Whether you're attractive or a friendly and attentive server is second to the fact that you have to be willing to exhibit your body. I think it becomes exploitation when a person will do something they would not ordinarily be comfortable with and the propietor profits. Some people are very comfortable with exhibitionism and sexually overt indulgences like wearing arousing clothing, which means Hooters is not categorically a house of exploitation, but merely the staging ground for the loosening of some shy girls' standards with the potential for widespread abuse (Hooters videotape scandal). BTW, the wings are skimpy, fatty and bland, the beer selection is weak and watery and although the girls were plenty friendly the service was slow.

As for sexist exploitation that swings the other way look no further than professional sports. I recently stopped by Steelers training camp with a female friend who told me she had very little interest in the mechanics, strategy, or future prospects on display. Why was she there? Ben is hot. How many crop top jerseys, terrible towel mini-skirts and black and gold thongs are sold to female fans every year that admit that its the physical attractiveness of players and not necessarily the football that drives their willingness to shell out dough for paraphenalia? I have no idea what percentage of women follow football for the sport or for the derrieres in tight pants, but it definitely happens and mechandise marketers know it too. Do football players care if they are regarded as sex symbols? T.O. doesn't, but maybe Polamalu would. Do they care if someone else profits from it? T.O. certainly does, show him the money!

Fantasy football causes people to watch games they should probably ignore.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 10:47 pm (Link)

Re: Exploitation

absolutely. I've written about that before too. I even specifically referenced football at one point. Sex sales. To both genders. If anything, Hooters is just being more honest about everything than most service companies would be.

You know, maybe if I watched the games that I like to ignore I might do better at fantasy football.
From: thomas_sean Date: August 25th, 2006 - 02:10 pm (Link)

Re: Exploitation

[User Picture]From: sonbanon Date: August 24th, 2006 - 08:15 pm (Link)
I know some women who (in college) went there to try to meet men (one time) and succeeded. I think that's the funniest thing ever.

I have never been there but when I used to work in the offices at Station Square, I used to like to watch the girls doing promotions--like they'd stand out front and hula hoop. I've heard their fries are good.

I don't want this to come off the wrong way because I'm sure people will jump on me for it, so I'm prefacing it at that. But when I felt a lot better about my body, I thought places like Hooters were less sexist than today. That's not to say that having a bad body image means that to everyone nor in entirety to me, but I think I get kinda... jealous? envious?... the older (and plumper) I get. It has a lot to do with our society's values of the youthful look (and youth in general). It's very hard to be a woman in this society. Even the best of men sometimes lay that pressure on (not on purpose, mind you). Of course, "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent", as Eleanor Roosevelt would say.

Hooters might be perceived as less sexist if there was this Cocks restaurant... but how many women would really go there? I mean, for bachelorette parties, etc., but I just can't see me and my friends (even those very open-minded about sex and sexuality) going there for dinner on a Tuesday night just cause.

Strip clubs are not sexist, IMO.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 24th, 2006 - 11:33 pm (Link)
But you make an interesting point, one that I agree with and have often stated before. At least I think you're making the point, if I understand you correctly. It's not really the men who are being sexist. It's the women. The general belief you are referring to is that because men may like looking at skinny girls with big boobs they must somehow think less of the women who don't look like that. Women claim that Hooters, Playboy, strip clubs and porn make men objectify women and that they give women a bad body image, but in reality, I know very few men who say "I won't fuck a girl unless she has DD cups and is under 110 lbs." We are men, we are pigs. What we mostly say is something more like "I won't fuck a girl unless she says yes when I ask her." I think its really silly that people (men too, but especially women, it seems) get so jealous of other people for physical traits that they want to discourage other people displaying those traits. Are you 110 lbs with DDs? No. So you don't want anyone to be. But do you have a 175 IQ? Do you think people who do shouldn't be allowed to be on Jeopardy?

I dunno... I'm rambling but I think (i hope) you're following my point.
From: sonbanon Date: August 25th, 2006 - 12:26 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 02:29 pm (Link)
From: beststephi Date: August 25th, 2006 - 03:09 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 02:41 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 05:03 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: sexyhockihoochi Date: August 25th, 2006 - 08:02 pm (Link)
Personally, Hooters and strip clubs never bothered me.

For Hooters... I've been to several (Pittsburgh/Monroeville/Myrtle Beach/NYC), and I don't see the girls as being dressed all that whorish. The only problem I have with Hooters is the guys who claim they don't go to see the chicks, but they go for the "great food". Every time I've eaten at Hooters, their food as been either gross or barely acceptable. So, if you're going to see girls dressed with less clothing than Olive Garden waitresses, at least admit to that being the reason. lol

As for strip clubs... I've been to one. I personally didn't enjoy it, as the girls were UGLY and I'm not into girls anyways. I think strip clubs are more degrading for the men than the women. The women are making a living. The men look like pathetic bastards who can't get any pussy on their own. I don't think I could ever get naked in front of a bunch of strangers, but I don't presume to place my morals on anyone else. The only real problem I have with strip clubs/strippers is when men & women use that for their bachelor/bachelorette parties as rites or traditions.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 26th, 2006 - 04:20 pm (Link)
to be totally fair, some of the food at Hooters I do like and some of the girls I think are not all that hot. But in general, I kind of agree with you. I think admitting your going to a restaurant because the waitresses are hot is fine.

Why are you against bachelor/bachelorette parties?
From: thomas_sean Date: August 26th, 2006 - 10:19 pm (Link)

Bachelor/ette Parties

From: chrismaverick Date: August 27th, 2006 - 05:18 am (Link)

Re: Bachelor/ette Parties

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From: chrismaverick Date: August 27th, 2006 - 09:51 pm (Link)
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From: thomas_sean Date: August 30th, 2006 - 12:29 am (Link)

Red White and Blue

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Re: Red White and Blue

From: chrismaverick Date: August 30th, 2006 - 12:47 am (Link)

Re: Red White and Blue

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Re: Red White and Blue

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Re: Red White and Blue

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