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08:45 am - on Hooters and hypocrisy...

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[User Picture]From: beststephi Date: August 25th, 2006 - 03:09 am (Link)
(responding to above): I'm actually less offended by Hooters etc. now than I was in my early 20's, say. I think I've gotten desensitized throughout the years.

(not in response to above, general comment): But I still just can't accept (much less be willing to go to and finance) places where men are served by women in various stages of undress. It still strikes me as demeaning to women, and honestly, I hope I never change my mind about that. Sure, men may be being exploited for money, but to me, that's far better than exploiting your own body and dignity.

[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 02:41 pm (Link)
Note: I know I can't change your mind, as we've had this conversation before. Honestly, I'm not even trying, but this is my blog, so I feel its necessary to respond to everything so that I am really getting all of my points across to the audience.

See, that's the attitude that I find offensive. Who are you to tell the Hooters waitress that her job is demeaning. She's in the service industry mixed with the entertainment industry. Is being a stripper demeaning? You have friends who are strippers. No one holds a gun to their heads. Is it more demeaning as a male stripper? What about being a professional wrestler. I get into the ring and beat on other people and let them beat on me for the entertainment of others.

Taking it a step further is it demeaning to be a garbage man? Or to be the guy who cleans out outhouses? What about to be a cognitive psychologist?

See to me, comments like what you're saying essentially boil down to "this is demeaning because I don't want to do it, as it is beneath me." But that's a personal feeling. I don't want to be a software engineer. I've tried it. I hate it. It makes me feel worthless and shitty. But I can't say that sui66iy has a demeaning career. Your feelings are altruistic, sure, but at the end of the day you are making a value judgement about someone's career based on your own feelings of what "dignity" are, and to me that seems unfair. It's akin to saying that "I hope I am never ok with abortion because its a crime against god and those women are ruining their lives." I think being pro-life for yourself is fine. Hoisting it on someone else is wrong. The same is true about being conservative.
[User Picture]From: beststephi Date: August 25th, 2006 - 03:10 pm (Link)
My own personal opinion os that sexuality is special, and should be shared with only those you choose to share it with. When you are paid to strip or whatever, then you no longer are in control of that, and you end up "sharing" it with whomever happens to wander into the building. It is this loss of control over such an intimate part of our being that I find potentially harmful over some period of time (and there's literature to this effect), especially for people who tend to have less control in general in their lives. I know other people have other beliefs, and that's fine. I'm simply sharing mine here.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: August 25th, 2006 - 05:03 pm (Link)
several points here:

1) Well, most strippers will argue with your claim that they aren't in control. They'd tell you that they are choosing to be up on stage and that they feel more in control when they're doing it than any other time. I'm not saying you aren't right (or wrong). I'm just saying that the flaw is you are applying your value system to someone else. That's why I likened it to the abortion issue.

2) Strippers were sort of a divergence from the prime issue, which was Hooters, which I would argue is a far cry from stripping. That's why I was saying I think its unfair of you to judge it without ever having been there.

3) As for sexuality being private, I find that interesting because you don't seem to really feel that way about everything else. Let's grant for a moment that Hooters and strip joints are sexual (a concession I'm not willing to make overall, but will for the sake of argument). How come that's the single thing that needs to be protected or not shared or whatever. An individual making the choice to not share any specific aspect of themselves with the public (I don't like wrestling fans to know details about my private life for instance) I grant, but why is sexuality the specific thing that you think should be private. Why is a theme restuarant that features the wreckage of the plane Buddy Holly died in or even just BB King's first guitar more appropriate than one that features girls in tight shirts?

For the record, I do respect your opinions... this is more my attempt to understand them.

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