October 4th, 2006

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02:27 am - on criminal cuteness and costume colliquys...

Vincent D'Onofrio
In his finest role
So earlier tonight, the sexy and sophisticated (I got tired of saying lovely and talented) beststephi and I were watching one of her favorite shows, Law & Order: Criminal Intent or as I like to call it Criminally Bad Acting. I'm actually a fan of the other two Law & Order serieses, especially SVU, but I never much cared for CI because, well, frankly it's pretty bad.

Steph of course maintains that the show is good and is particularly impressed with Vincent D'Onofrio, who's "acting" (note the scare quotes) is pretty much the worst part of the show. I was talking with my officemate about the show the other day and he informed me that his wife felt similarly even though he could tell that D'Onofrio was pretty much really crappy. He went on to point out that he knew several women who liked the show, all of whom had S.O.s who hated it. How could this be?

I've thought about this long and hard over the last couple of weeks.

Carmen Electra

Carmen Electra
now that's what I call "acting"
It suddenly occurs to me what it is. D'Onofrio is cute. I mean, I don't think he's much to look at personally, but that must be what it is. The man played Thor for HOVA's sake. Let's call a spade a spade, I, like many men across the world, am a fan of Carmen Electra, Jessica Simpson and Jennifer Love Hewitt. On behalf of the male gender, I have to point out that we have a couple of reasons for liking each of them, and acting and singing ability aren't them. Women are just either too proud to admit that they are slaves to their base carnal desires like men or too stupid to realize it. Vincent D'Onofrio is not a good actor, ladies. You're just horny. Just like men. Only worse, because at least we're honest about it.

So the question, for both men and women, are there actors (or singers or whatever) that you acknowledge are bad but you'll watch things with them anyway because deep down in places you don't like to talk about (or maybe places you do) you want to fuck them? Be honest with me and yourself. Or if you insist on maintaining the pretense, then I'd love to know what celebrities you think are hot but you also insist they are talented (even though others might argue that s/he isn't). Who are they? Why do you like them (both talentwise and appearancewise)?

In other news, Steph and I are considering bringing back the Halloween Jam this year. If we do it, it would be on October 28th. There will of course be other parties going on, I'm sure. So if we have a Halloween party, who'd be interested in coming?

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[User Picture]From: marsinthestars Date: October 4th, 2006 - 08:12 am (Link)
no Halloween Jam this year - next year!
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 12:11 pm (Link)
Oh like you would come anyway... :-P
From: joy_dee Date: October 4th, 2006 - 12:09 pm (Link)

female opinion

He was definately hot as Thor, but I can't stand L&O CI. It's not just for what you call his acting though. It's because of how he seems to know everything and solve everything on his own and that the rest of the cast just seem to be there for window dressing. I am a faithful watcher of the other two L&O shows though.

As for the other topic, I can't think of any actors or actressess I could be in denial about. I tend to admit when I enjoy watching someone just 'cause they're hot.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 12:17 pm (Link)

Re: female opinion

you're a boy... you're a pregnant boy.
From: joy_dee Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:12 pm (Link)

Re: female opinion

From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 02:33 pm (Link)

Re: female opinion

[User Picture]From: bryguypgh Date: October 4th, 2006 - 01:21 pm (Link)

picking nits

No results found for colliquoy.

Did you mean colloquy?
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 02:38 pm (Link)

Re: picking nits

ewe trie spelng at too thurty AM and sea how wel yoo dew...
[User Picture]From: sonbanon Date: October 4th, 2006 - 01:49 pm (Link)
Brad Pitt: beautiful but can't act for shit. Many will disagree.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 02:40 pm (Link)
at least you're honest. To give Pitt credit, I'll acknowledge that he's gotten a lot better in the last decade or so than he was earlier in his career. He ain't Lawrence Olivier but he ain't Joey Lawrence either. At least not anymore.
From: joy_dee Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:16 pm (Link)


From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 02:36 pm (Link)

Re: Snatch

[User Picture]From: akiramich Date: October 4th, 2006 - 01:55 pm (Link)
Vincent D'Oforio was very good in The Cell , which is a great film and totally under rated.

There are definetly actors I think are hot as Hell but are still very good actors. But my tastes run a little different. For instance, I think that Allison Hannigan was smoking hot on Buffy and I though she was very good in the role of Willow. Of the films she has made, she hasnt done a lot of different stuff, but her comdey had been very well done.

Another example is Jessica Alba. Hottness off the charts. And she was excellent in Sin City and very good on Dark Angel . She was even good in Fantastic Four & Into the Blue both of which were bad films. I think its more about what choices an actress makes and roles offered, and a lot of that is luck and managment.

Having said that, Id watch Jennifer Love Hewitt read out of the yellow pages...
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 02:54 pm (Link)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I can think of several actors who I think are hot and talented. I think that's what really makes you a standout. Jessica Alba is totally a good example. She actually popped into my mind when I was writing this, but I specifically disqualified her as she's actually a very good actress, despite being limited for the most part to pretty girl roles. Another of my personal favorites is Dominique Swain and to go with people a little more relavant, Scarlett Johannson and Mia Kirshnir, who were both in the movie Black Dahlia which I just saw. As opposed to Hilary Swank, also in the movie, but in my opinion a complete dog. An extremely talented dog with a great ass, but a dog nonetheless.

On the other hand, I'm not looking for Jessica, Carmen or Love to get that break through Oscar role anytime soon ever. But I have no problem with watching them "do what they do."

You know what would be an awesome film. Jennifer Love Hewitt, reading the yellow pages, on a trampoline! Hell, screw film, make that a daily television series. Give it its own channel.
From: akiramich Date: October 4th, 2006 - 03:04 pm (Link)
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From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 04:28 pm (Link)
From: akiramich Date: October 4th, 2006 - 04:36 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 04:43 pm (Link)
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From: joy_dee Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:19 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: beststephi Date: October 4th, 2006 - 06:12 pm (Link)
(For the record, I think getting into this is probably a bad idea, but some part of me is an optimist.)

I would have no problem admitting if I watched something just because I think someone is hot. But they'd have to be pretty damn hot to be worth the time. While I do find Vincent D'Onofrio somewhat attractive, I do not find him as he currently looks (older and overweight) anywhere near "hot". He was hot when he was younger (there was a movie where he played a bad boy older brother and in one scene he's walking around the kitchen with his shirt off---YOWSA! I need to get that on DVD.). But, alas, that was long ago, and now he is old and frail.

I can see why people would find his know-it-all character annoying, but I grew up reading Agatha Christie novels with know-it-all detectives and got used to this type. I also think what some people mistake for bad acting is actually his portrayal of a borderline crazy guy (every once in a while they'll allude to his mother's stay at a mental hospital or his non-existent personal life). I'm not sure what his diagnosis would be, maybe OCD-ish, given his penchant for detail. But I actually knew a guy when I was an undergrad--brilliant but "crazy"--who reminds me of his character. So I find his character both interesting and believable.

Anyway, you may insist on attributing what you can't see to something you do understand, which is fine. But I really don't disagree with you for fun.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 4th, 2006 - 06:49 pm (Link)
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not implying you pretend to like the show just to disagree with me for fun. Quite the contrary. I believe you actually like the show. I on the other hand complain about it on end to be difficult. :-P

Anyway, to break down your comments, i think there are two aspects to the issue:

1) The character. He is annoying know-it-all. That can be off-putting yes, but its something I can deal with. The character isn't really innovative. In fact I think what they're actually trying to do is write a modern Columbo (or Perry Mason, Murder She Wrote, Matlock, whatever). I actually liked Columbo a lot. Yes, he did the little Agatha Christie, solve the whole case in a neat little bow. And he often tricked the bad guy into confessing with Johnny-Cochran-Chewbaca-Is-A-Wookie-Scooby-Doo logic. But the difference was that Columbo worked alone. One of the things I like most about the other L&O serieses is the team aspect to solving the crimes. The interplay between the characters not only creates a more interesting portrayal of police/lawyer work, but the personas being dealt with are interesting and the complex relationships between the characters makes for a good story. You're right, the Goren's non-existant personal life isn't D'Onofrio's fault, and I don't mean to make it out to be. But the way he's written makes him one-dimensional and boring outside of just solving the case itself. This is as opposed to McCoy in the main show, who also lacks a personal life. But he's a more realized character. He is the job. But the aspects of who McCoy the person is vs. the position of know-it-all buereau chief is interesting in a relatable way to the viewer that I think the character of Goren isn't. Goren comes across as a crazy but infallible supercop, and if that's the case, why do we need Eames at all (or for that matter Logan, Green, Stabler, Finn, Benson or any other cops. Since he's infallible, and has no personal life, they should just put him on every case and have him do everything. Just like Columbo. But at least Columbo had a relationship with his (unseen) wife that often colored the character. Goren has his mother that he mentions on occasion but the relationship is more distant, and while that could be interesting, the way its written it just comes across as an added annoyance.

2) The Actor. Peter Falk just did a much better job of playing the know-it-all character. I'm not just annoyed by Goren the character. I am annoyed by D'Onofrio the actor. I am perfectly capable of making the distinction. I don't believe him in the roll. He does this overworked method acting thing that makes him seem like a saturday night live portrayal of an artsy drama student in a lot of cases. To simply compare it to the other Law and Orders, when I watch them, I see Jack McCoy, not Sam Waterson. I see Olivia Benson not Mariska Hargitay. When I watch SVU, I see Vincent D'Onofrio not Goren. In fact, I am so unable to look past him and suspend belief and see the character that I couldn't for the life of me remember his first name was Bobby until I looked it up just now. And its not just because they only use last names on the other serieses, but I can remember them all. To be completely fair to him, I feel the same way about Kathrine Erbe as Eames. I think she's a better actor than D'Onofrio, but not enough so that she doesn't annoy me. Especially when combined with the fact that her character generally comes across as useless because of the writing.

Anyway, my point was more that I don't really have a problem with liking a show because the cast is cute. Or even liking a something that's stupid because it makes you laugh (like you like Reno 911). I just find it odd that with that show in particular, and women in general, bad acting seems ignorable due to an actor being cute. I went out of my way to not mention him in the post, since I didn't want the comments to degenrate into "you just hate him" but I'd actually argue the same about Depp. Men, I think tend to not ignore bad acting. We just don't care. No one thinks Jessica Simpson is a great thespian. But she does have a great rack.
From: beststephi Date: October 4th, 2006 - 09:21 pm (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:06 am (Link)
From: joy_dee Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:22 pm (Link)

off topic

From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 02:39 pm (Link)

Re: off topic

[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: October 8th, 2006 - 10:52 am (Link)
w00t, steph. I think we're coming from the same place about vincent d'onofrio in lao:ci. it's not that he's extraordinarily physically hot at this point. He's a little too old and borderline-too-heavy for my tastes in eye candy. i think it's that I'm just turned on by geniuses, and his character is a genius-type. The lightning-fast mental footwork coupled with a touch (but not a shovelful) of arrogance and self-absorption really does it for me. I used to watch all the law and order variants, but now CI is the only one I tivo, and his character is why.

And yes, about the whole "bad acting" thing. I do wonder if people misinterpret his character's extreme awkwardness for d'onofrio's inability to act. I think there was one episode where they implied that his character had Asberger's.

If you also think the whole brilliant-but-crazy-genius-type character is hot, you should check out Charlie Epps in Numbers, Spencer Reed in Criminal Minds, and House.
From: sundaygray Date: October 8th, 2006 - 11:02 am (Link)
From: beststephi Date: October 8th, 2006 - 05:17 pm (Link)
[User Picture]From: marmal8 Date: October 4th, 2006 - 11:21 pm (Link)
Vincent D'Onofrio is ugly. So is Vince Vaughn, not that you asked. I would rather look at Hugh Jackman (without the Wolverine sideburns), Stuart Townsend, Taye Diggs, scruffy dark-haired Orlando Bloom, Oded Fehr, Patrick Swayze (cuz I'm from the 80s) and of course Johnny Depp.

This seems like the only available opportunity to say that although Ashton Kutcher is not that cute and not that talented, he's done an excellent job landing Demi and making a name for himself.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:09 am (Link)
Not sure what side you're on. Are you claiming that you aren't swayed by someone being cute or you are?
From: marmal8 Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:26 am (Link)
From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 03:46 am (Link)
From: marmal8 Date: October 5th, 2006 - 08:51 pm (Link)
From: joy_dee Date: October 5th, 2006 - 01:25 pm (Link)

blond elves are hot

From: chrismaverick Date: October 5th, 2006 - 02:39 pm (Link)

Re: blond elves are hot

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From: sundaygray Date: October 8th, 2006 - 10:58 am (Link)

Re: blond elves are hot

From: marmal8 Date: October 5th, 2006 - 08:49 pm (Link)

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