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[User Picture]From: jeremiahblatz Date: October 13th, 2006 - 03:06 am (Link)
1) You cannot call someone "shallow" in a discussion of aesthetics. I mean, you can, but you should accept the fact that it makes you a head-up-the-ass pretentious wanker. And that's what we're talking about: aesthetics. Well, except you might have distain for someone who gets breast implants because they reduce nipple sensitivity.

2) It's the goddamn 21st century. You can change your mind, and you can change your body. Getting breast implants (elective surgery and cost concerns aside) is little different that getting tattoos or ear piercings. Or wearing makeup (relative permanence aside). I mean, there are many (in my mind) valid reasons to not want to get breast implants. Enough that I think getting them is probably a bad decision. But it's not my decision to make (unless it's my boobelies that we're taking about), so if you really want to, go for it.

2b) I would not get penile enhancement, because I like my wife in one piece.

2c) If I were hung like whitey, I still probably wouldn't, `cause I suspect that functionality would be impaired. And, you know, elective surgery etc.

Bonus) I don't object to guys who get pec/bicep/etc implants, except to the extent that they're putting a coffee can on the end of their tailpipe and claiming that they've got a racing exhaust system. Pec implants do not make you strong, cape does not allow wearer to fly. A sad world. But, you know, I object to muscle-masquerading implants because the real thing is achievable and I think you're just a dork for not going down to the gym and listing heavy objects. But, you know, if it makes you happy, go for it. Just don't be surprised when I giggle.
From: wooble Date: October 13th, 2006 - 03:21 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: jeremiahblatz Date: October 13th, 2006 - 03:51 am (Link)
Well, since you're a pretentious wanker, and I'm a pretentious wanker, let's think about this (too much). Both the pec implant crowd and the big exhaust tip crowd are adopting the look of something that has usefulness (strength and an aftermarket exhaust system) at lower cost (money and gym time) without getting the functional benefits. (In fact, both are probably getting the opposite effect.)

Now, in both cases, the affected attribute is probably actually not that important. However, I suggest that the affected attribute (strength) is more important to the target market (shallow women driven by biological urges) than it is with breast implants. (The affected attribute being milk production capacity, I guess.) My reasoning being that even in the limited period of a one-night stand, a strong man will be able to live up to the strong man expectation of his partner. If you believe my ramblings,* then pec implants are sillier than breast implants.

* This whole argument falls apart when you realize that, of course, once you've gotten your partner into a situation where she has the ability to adequately judge you strength, you're probably going to achieve your goal anyway. Sort of how man might experience some disappointment at the removal of a padded bra, but not that much disappointment.</i>
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 13th, 2006 - 04:36 am (Link)
I don't think I buy your postulates that pecs are only useful for lifting/pushing stuff and breasts for giving milk and therefore your conclusion falls apart. I'd argue that during the one-night stand, the both implants likely perform their functions more than adequately.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 13th, 2006 - 04:26 am (Link)
at least you admit it. :-)

I expect the pec implant guys don't care if they're shallow, either.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 13th, 2006 - 04:21 am (Link)
1) Two separate issues here. See, I hate when people dismiss pretty much anything as shallow. I don't see how its any worse to have a thing for 6 foot blondes with double D cups than it is to have a thing for girls with 150 IQs who work for the peace corps. Hell, maybe you want a brainy peace corps blonde and huge tits. Nothing wrong with that.

But I was more talking more of looking down on someone else who does it. Or claiming that the amount of work/money it takes somehow makes it good or bad.

2) Exactly

2b) Considering the reduction then?

2c) But if every supermarket magazine featured men in tight clothes with 8 pound buldges in their pants, would you be tempted? That was the crux of Steph and Jill's argument, i think. That some how the prevalence of the image forces low self esteem on others. On the other hand, I'm around wrestlers with buldging muscles well beyond mine all the time, and it really doesn't bug me enough to make me want to do anything about it either. So I suspect I wouldn't. But even if I did. Well, so what? I think that should be my choice.

Bonus) well, that's the difference. If having small boobies or too big a nose bothers you, there's not really a "natural" way to fix it. And if technology can help you feel better about yourself, go for it. But I don't really care if there's a natural way or not. There are natural ways to lose weight, but I'm not against gastric bypass either, if that's what the person wants. And there's no natural way to grow back an arm that's been amputated, but if a guy wants to get a prosthesis, good for him.

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