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[User Picture]From: pyrtolin Date: October 13th, 2006 - 04:38 pm (Link)
I defnitely fall into the "implants are ugly" camp in most cases. (And stomach bypass is a totally different arena of "things that are more harmful than good, but pitched as quick fixes") I'm also personally adverse to non-essential surgury, but I fully recognize that it's a personal dislike.

But my big issue deals with motivations. I'm all for people having a sense of personal asthetics and striving to lok the way they want to look or their own personal goals of health. That's a positive motivation, and if you really think that you need bigger breasts to look the way you want to, that's fine.

Hell, I'm working on pretty major weightloss at the moment, and when I hit a point that's rgiht for me, I'm going to have to consider that myself though I'd probably look at it from a hormonal rather than surgical angle. Just as superficial, really, but that's my preference.

It's when the decisions isn't made from a point of confidence that I have problems. Not "I'd like how bigger breasts would look on me" but "I feel inadequate because my breasts are too small". That's where the problem starts- espcially when such insecurity is preyed upon for profit rather than addressed directly and treated in some way or another.

The problem isn't that there are women who want breast augmentation, but that our culture actively generates insecurity in people, then uses that to profit off of them. Instead of helping them find a more balanced and secure view of themselves from which they can make positive decisions, we build bigger and bigger insecurities and encourage people to act against their own best interests.
[User Picture]From: nowishere Date: October 13th, 2006 - 08:18 pm (Link)
Agreed - and I think that's the foundation for the reaction of looking down on the people who get the implants. Because they didn't just buy an aesthetic enhancement - they bought the bullshit from our society that they weren't good enough the way they were, or that they would have more value with bigger breasts. When in fact, all they'd have is bigger breasts (or in the case of implants, the semblance of bigger breasts).

We "look down" on the women who we perceive as buying into the system, as pyrtolin said, that doesn't give a shit about what's good for them, but benefits by exploiting the desire we all have to feel attractive and loveable. In the same way that you "look down" on the geek or outcast who's fawning at the feet of a cool kid, does whatever he says while everyone else laughs at his subjugation and looks down on him even more, while the loser can't tell because he's finally getting some attention and approval. It's not disdain for the kid's motivation - you empathize with that, but it's hard to keep out the disdain for how he's willing to lower himself to get the approval he needs. Same thing when women perceive other women to be getting breast implants to be more attractive - they're missing out on their own value, and the value and beauty other women want to protect and proclaim and celebrate and even flaunt that is inherent in the female body, whatever proportions it may come in. Hence the anti-feminist claim, I would think.

And there's also the personal level emotional response. Getting breast implants send the message that "naturally smaller breasts aren't good enough for me" which basically counts as a vote in the world at large that "naturally smaller breasts aren't good enough," so women who get implants are effectively insulting and devaluing the breasts of women whose are naturally smaller and who don't choose to get implants. And this on top of that message coming from the media and "boob guys", we now are getting it from other small-breasted women. It's adding insult to injury and pisses people off.

IMOs =)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 14th, 2006 - 03:59 am (Link)
ok, that I'll actually kind of agree to. A woman has small breasts. She buys implants. She in essence votes that small breasts are bad. For her! A woman has blonde hair. She dyes it red. She in essence votes that blonde hair is bad. For her! Every morning I put on deoderant to mask my natural underarm smell. I shave the hair off my cheeks to pretend my face looks different than it naturally does. To take suicideking's point above, picking one trait to claim fake=bad is hypocritical. To argue that getting breast implants is somehow worse than wearing lipstick is essentially prooving that having nice breasts is important. If it didn't matter, then no one would complain about those who choose to do it.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 14th, 2006 - 03:51 am (Link)
certainly interesting and fair issues, but I consider it a side issue. The reason for someones desires is irrelevant. Their body their choice. To do otherwise would be to say that women could only choose abortions in certain circumstances.
[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: October 31st, 2006 - 01:28 pm (Link)
[[The reason for someones desires is irrelevant.]]

The reason is very relevant.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: October 31st, 2006 - 03:24 pm (Link)
no its not. The law and society shouldn't conform to the desires of the individual simply the rights of the individual. Take my abortion issue. I am pro-choice. I think there are a lot of good reasons to have an abortion. But I can't say "you can only have an abortion if Mav thinks its a good idea." Maybe a woman wants an abortion because she doesn't want children. Maybe she wants one because she doesn't want stretch marks. Who are we to judge?

Similarly, if it were left ip to me, women would be forced to wear their hair long. There's noting wrong with short hair mind you. I just like long hair better. At least usually. There are some people who look good with short hair. But I can't say "you can only have a haircut if Mav thinks its a good idea." Maybe a woman wants short hair because she looks pretty with it. Maybe she is just too lazy to care for long hair. Who are we to judge?

I'd say breast augementation lies somewhere along the body modification continuum between haircuts and abortion. Therefore, I'd argue that the rules that apply to both of them should apply to boob jobs as well.

And umm... wow... you're digging into the blogosphere past today, aren't you? what made you come back to this?
[User Picture]From: sundaygray Date: October 31st, 2006 - 01:26 pm (Link)
[[The problem isn't that there are women who want breast augmentation, but that our culture actively generates insecurity in people, then uses that to profit off of them. Instead of helping them find a more balanced and secure view of themselves from which they can make positive decisions, we build bigger and bigger insecurities and encourage people to act against their own best interests.]]

An extremely articulate expression of the way I feel about this issue.
 

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