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[User Picture]From: ouchfest Date: November 22nd, 2006 - 12:20 pm (Link)
Dora the Explorer is the new Bugs Bunny. She has a far more aggressive marketing and merchandising push than Bugs, and is somewhat more attractive to parents because it is (relatively) educational and non-violent. Bugs is rather anachronistic these days. He's not on tv much, and is on Cartoon Network or some other channel for kids aged maybe 7 and up when he is. Kids age 4 are watching Noggin or Toon Disney, or Nick Jr., which all air shows that strongly bound to the channel. Steph's nephew probably knows Franklin, Little Bear, The Backyardagins, and Wonderpets.

I have seen Pamela topless (in Barb Wire), but not naked. I doubt she will be remembered like Marilyn Monroe in 50 years. I still think of Cindy Crawford as the penultimate sex symbol, and I haven't seen her in a decade. Maybe Madonna. Pamela is too fake to make such a lasting impression.

I was close to writing a dissertation on popular culture. I think that I would insist on exposing my children to specific pieces of culture for the reason that they would then be able to understand references and communicate more effectively with other people who use those pieces of culture in conversation.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: November 22nd, 2006 - 03:11 pm (Link)
I am well aware of who Dora the Explorer is. You're missing the point. I wasn't bothered by Ethan having an interest outside of Bugs Bunny. I was bothered by his total unawareness of the icon. For the record, Bugs Bunny was huge at the time. It was 2003, and he was being quite heavily advertised for his movie that came out, Looney Toons: Back in Action. As a note, the movie flopped, losing like $50M or something, but it was a big budget deal at the time. The reason Ethan didn't know who Bugs Bunny was is that his parents intentionally kept him unaware of the character feeling he as inappropriate. There were always kids like that even back in my day in school. Kids who's parents would only let them watch PBS or CBN (christian broadcasting network) and were completely unaware of whatever the cool cartoon was of the day, as well as any classics.

Maybe I wasn't detailed enough. I would have counted Pamela topless as Pamela naked.

Pam not only will be remembered as a cultural icon, she pretty much already is. You're equating your tastes for the individual with their place in history. Pamela was without a doubt the sex symbol of the 90s. Cindy was more an 80s invention, despite the fact that she didn't really hit it big til 1989 with House of Style. Pam's place in history clearly overshadows Cindy's. Keep in mind, I'm not saying she's hotter. That's debatable. I personally don't find her nearly as attractive as her rep maintains she is. What I'm saying is that she is easily the female most identified with sex in the 90s. In the 80s, I'd say you're right and could make a strong argument for Madonna. In the 70s, the honor without a doubt goes to Farrah Fawcett. The 60s, I'm less sure of, but I'm betting you'd have to go with Sophia Loren. Maybe Anne Margatet. I'd say Jane Fonda, but she wasn't really famous til the 70s, and although she ultimately amounted to much more, Farrah Fawcett was clearly the wet dream of choice in the 70s. And the 50s was easily Marilyn Monroe. If you look back, you'll see that Marilyn really never did all that much. She's mostly famous for being sexy and for the way she died. She's more legend than anything else. Same with Pammy. It's not her work that interests people. Its her life. Anyway, Marilyn was far more artificial than Pam. Her entire face was reconstructed as well as her body and the thing that made her remarkable was that doing so was FAR less common in Hollywood (or the general public) then than it is now.

Anyway, as for making a last impression, Pam certainly has. The 90s are over. Her initial Playboy pictoral was almost 17 years ago. She landed her first major role in 1992 and was definitely considered the It Girl that year. In that time, other It Girls have come and gone and most of them are probably more talented as actresses than Pam is. But when people go back and make the list of sex symbols stars that defined history, they're not going to name Chole Servigny for the 90s. They're going to name Pam.

And that's the point that I was getting at. Basically where you got with your final point. I don't expect random people to know Chloe Servigny. It'd be great if they did. She's a wonderful actress. But if a conversation about sexy actresses comes up, I expect everyone to at least know who Pam is, at the very least to be able to have a baseline to start the conversation. (If I'd used a picture of Servigny on this post, most people would be like "who the hell is that?")

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