March 31st, 2007


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03:08 am - on strippers and singing...

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[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 31st, 2007 - 05:21 pm (Link)

Re: My Take

true. I consider them much more exploitive of men. But there's still a personal choice thing going on there. And yeah, I understand what you mean, I'd much rather be having sex than watching a stripper but that doesn't mean it can't be fun. I'd much rather be having sex than watching TV too. That doesn't mean I don't like TV.
[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: March 31st, 2007 - 07:36 pm (Link)

Re: My Take

I fail to see how they're exploitative of anyone. No one is forcing anyone to go to them. Presumably a customer wouldn't go to one if they didn't want to pay to watch people dance naked. Charging someone for an advertised service which is a luxury (ie utterly non-essential) entertainment service doesn't fit any reasonable definition of "exploitation" that I can think of. Someone is willingly providing a service for money. Someone is willingly paying money for that service. Exploitation?
[User Picture]From: mokatz Date: April 1st, 2007 - 02:18 am (Link)

Re: My Take

It's more of once you're there, you can get very easily suckered in to "buying" much more than you intended to.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 2nd, 2007 - 05:52 am (Link)

Re: My Take

yeah, that.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 2nd, 2007 - 05:52 am (Link)

Re: My Take

maybe exploitive is too strong a term. Certainly no one is being held at gun point. The point is, the myth is that the strippers are victims with no other choices at the mercy of the men who frequent the club. That isn't true. They tend to be very much in control of the situation.
[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: April 3rd, 2007 - 03:42 am (Link)

Re: My Take

So because they're not BEING exploited then they must be exploiting others? That sounds like a big load of crap to me. "I'm good at my job which involves selling something and making money from people who came into the establishment where I work knowing what was being sold and that they wanted at least some of it" is nothing like "I'm an exploiter!"
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 4th, 2007 - 04:28 am (Link)

Re: My Take

no, that's not what we're saying at all. It's more like the women are exploiting a weakness in the audience. Let me clear something up here, unlike people who claim that strip clubs are exploitive of the dancers, I'm not attempting to make a value judgement in any way. (Hence me saying exploitive was too strong, or rarhter loaded a term). I'm simply using a technical term. In point of fact, I agree with you. A successful strip club isn't "explotive" its just good marketing.

But then again, as I said, I shop at Walmart.
[User Picture]From: lonelocust Date: April 4th, 2007 - 05:57 am (Link)

Re: My Take

I know that's not what you were trying to say, but it's how it came across in light of what you said. Dude said that strip clubs are exploitative of the patrons. Then you said


maybe exploitive is too strong a term. Certainly no one is being held at gun point. The point is, the myth is that the strippers are victims with no other choices at the mercy of the men who frequent the club. That isn't true. They tend to be very much in control of the situation.


Basically, you stating that because the strippers are not victims and are in control of their profession sort of in support of the other person's claim that the clubs are exploiting the patrons is what sounded sort of like that to me.
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 4th, 2007 - 06:11 am (Link)

Re: My Take

I think we agree but there's a semantic disconnect. Basically, I am saying that. But I'm not passing judgement on it, (as people are when they say strip clubs are exploitive of the girls). Rather I think that its just the nature of business. Much the same way I think McDonalds is exploitive of fat people.
[User Picture]From: mokatz Date: March 31st, 2007 - 08:17 pm (Link)

Re: My Take

Not even sex; just having a girlfriend or being with her. I guess I'm just a sensitive wussy. :P
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: April 2nd, 2007 - 05:55 am (Link)

Re: My Take

oh, the sex wasn't my point. My point was more that the SuperDuperUberEnjoyment of one thing doesn't preclude the KindaFunEnjoyment of something else.
 

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