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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - graffiti.maverick

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[User Picture]From: sui66iy Date: March 8th, 2009 - 03:36 am (Link)

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I guess we just disagree. To me, fight scenes like that just don't look like fights. They look like carefully choreographed computer tricks with cheap gore and splatter thrown in. Real people don't move that way, and the falseness of it all pulls me out of the flow of the story.

Now granted, this is a problem with all stylization. People who aren't opera buffs find the fact that real people don't actually sing in the middle of a conversation off-putting, but it doesn't mean opera is a stupid art form. So maybe if I were more of a fight scene connoisseur it wouldn't distract me.

It isn't the brutality that bothers me --- I think we agree that brutality is part of the point. It's the manner in which the directors chose to depict it and how that meshes with the larger structure of the story. I guess I'm with Aristotle: it's often better to keep the violence off-stage. Which was more effective [SPOILER] the scene where Big Figure's henchman's arms are cut off, or the scene where Rorschach does something unspeakable to Big Figure in the men's room? To me, it's the latter by a mile.

Moreover, with the exception of Dr. Manhattan and [SPOILER] Ozymandias' bullet catch, these guys aren't superhuman, or even necessarily all that awesome as fighters. Rorschach main tactical advantage is creativity (the improvised flamethrower; the hot grease). Nite Owl is kind of flabby, and in the comic book is severely winded after the mugging scene. Eddie Blake is in great shape, but also 67 years old. However, once you slow everyone down and put them in bullet-time, you're programming the viewer to *expect* them to be able to catch a bullet, which robs the actual incident of its impact.

Overall, it's a nit. The fight scenes didn't ruin the movie. And I can see how if that's your thing, you might think they were a highlight. But for me, narratively, they were a detriment, and I didn't see any creativity in them particularly.

I guess I am a little surprised that you liked them so much. For the non-connoisseur, what do you think makes them special?
From: brotherless_one Date: March 8th, 2009 - 04:57 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 11th, 2009 - 03:18 pm (Link)

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See, I don't think the point should be camp. The reason everyone in watchmen is normal is that the world moore created was supposed to be hyperreal, as opposed to the comedic innocence of the the 50s (which we discover wasn't so innocent or comedic after all). But the slowmo fight scenes didn't let me take anything in at my own pace. They distracted me. They came off more as the modern equivalent of the 60s Batman fight sequence. That's ok in some movies, not in this one.
From: brotherless_one Date: March 13th, 2009 - 10:43 am (Link)
[User Picture]From: chrismaverick Date: March 11th, 2009 - 03:12 pm (Link)

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I'm on the same page as you here. I didn't like the fighting, but it didn't kill it for me. At least not nearly as much as my problems with the editing, writing or the general direction of the film. Basically there are a lot of things about it that "aren't awful" but aren't particularly good either. And when combined they make it mediocre and a throwaway comic book movie. In a vacuum without ever having heard about the comic, I think it becomes rather forgettable. That makes me sad.
 

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